Talk:Pinus stormiae

Further notes

@MtBotany nice work on starting this page! Worth adding that the taxon was first cited at species rank as long ago as 1960 by Henri Gaussen in one of his voluminous works in Trav. Lab. Forestière Toulouse, but not validly as he failed (as he always did!) to cite the basionym. Unfortunately, I've mislaid my photocopy of the relevant article, but if I refind it, I'll add the details.

The map in Perry shows 3 locations in Texas, but his text only cites specimens in the Chisos Mts, and this concurs with other texts such as Rushforth, which I've added as a citation. The other sites in Texas are P. ponderosa subsp. brachyptera, easily distinguished by its stouter umbo spine.

The 35 m height in the Gymnosperm Database I'm sure is an error; Farjon and Perry both agree on a max 20 m (and even that only rarely) and that fits with what I've seen and photos I've seen. Cones over 10 cm I'd also be very dubious about, I'd suspect they may be P. montezumae misidentified, as that is abundant a short distance uphill and east of P. stormiae in the Sierra Madre Oriental. MPF (talk) 23:19, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @MPF. I did wonder a bit about the to 35 m since I did not see it in the sources that Earle cited. I think it seems possible, but maybe I should email Earle and ask where he got it from. He might have measured a tree, had a communication from a researcher, or he might have made an error that he'll correct. I'd be happy to leave out the 35 m until/if someone else concurs with Earle since you think it doubtful.

Thanks for your edits. Always good to have a second set of eyes on a new article. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

@MtBotany Thanks! I'd agree with removing the 35 m; it is out of place in the very hot, dry habitat this species grows in. It'll be interesting to see what Chris says! - MPF (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2025 (UTC)