Talk:Pinsir

Evolution

It is a bit odd that this Pokemon never recieved a baby form or an evolved form. Do people think it will with the fourth generation? Michaelritchie200 15:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

   no there isnt, always 5th generation however

Neverending Cycle

I came here from WP:RPP, where I noticed Pinsir in the Completed requests section (as Declined). At the risk of sounding like a broken record, think about whether reliable sources exist for the meme (Forums do not qualify) and whether or not the meme actually improves the understanding of the subject of the article. Wikipedia is not a billboard or a general-discussion forum. -Jeske ^{(v^_^v)} 09:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Pinsir/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Kung Fu Man (talk · contribs) 19:07, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Yue (talk · contribs) 00:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Happy to review this GA nomination. I will leave comments and complete my initial review over the next few days. Yue🌙 00:46, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Quick initial scan

@Kung Fu Man: The sources cited and images used are fine, with access dates, captions, fair use rationales, etc. all mostly in order. I noticed a typo in one of the source' authorship, which I fixed. You also probably want the abandoned Pinsir evolution image right under the Design section heading or else mobile readers will not see it when reading that section, which contains information relevant to the image. Yue🌙 00:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I noticed citations 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 33, 37 do not have links. The GA will not fail because of this, but it would be helpful to readers if you add a link to any open access archives you used or even a reference site (e.g. Google Books, the journal's page for a scholarly article). I plan on spot checking a few of these citations; in those cases I will add a link myself if I find an appropriate one. Yue🌙 00:59, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

To my understanding wikipedia frowns on linking to archived backups of books and google books directly due to copyright concerns. At least I've had it brought up in the past, though not sure if there's a thorough consensus on that. If it helps, some of the above were source checked for the same information in Raichu's FAC, which should have the links there also.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:39, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kung Fu Man: I'll take a look and cross-reference. I can access some of the books locally as well. It's not a big deal either way I suppose; if the spot checks are fine for the linked sources, the procedure is to assume good faith on the others. Yue🌙 06:34, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Prose check

@Kung Fu Man: This section is my review of the article's prose. Most of them are minor suggestions. I will do a reference spot check today or tomorrow. Overall, the article looks pretty good and a few short steps from "good". Yue🌙 22:49, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Lead

• "While it was at one point intended to get an evolution in sequel titles Pokémon Gold and Silver, later games Pokémon X and Y, introduced the concepts of Mega Evolutions, and with it Mega Pinsir." → "While it was at one point intended to receive an evolution in sequel titles Pokémon Gold and Silver, later games Pokémon X and Y introduced the concepts of Mega Evolutions, and with it Mega Pinsir."
• "... with the introduction of later similar Pokémon such as Heracross." → "Later similar" is grammatically correct but sounds a bit awkward because of the double adjective. Maybe "... with the later introduction of similar Pokémon such as Heracross."?

Conception and creation

• "Its mouth meanwhile is near the center of its body, and is oriented vertical instead of horizontal ..." → vertically, horizontally
• "In Pinsir's case, it can become Mega Pinsir. Now standing at 5 ft 7 in (170 cm) tall, it is now classified as a Bug and Flying-type Pokémon, gaining large yellow wings protruding from its body." → I think this could be reworded a bit to flow better with the subsequent sentences, since you're describing the before-and-after of a Pinsir's Mega Evolution. Perhaps something along the lines of "In Pinsir's case, it can become Mega Pinsir, a Bug and Flying-type Pokémon. Growing to a height of 5 ft 7 in (170 cm), it gains large yellow wings protruding from its body."

Appearances

• "In Yellow, it can be obtained in the same way, though the cost of purchasing one is substantially higher." → "In Yellow, it can be obtained in the same way, though the cost of purchasing one in the casino is substantially higher." It might be obvious to most readers, but adding "in the casino" makes the sentence more clear and specific.
• "Pinsir is additionally obtainable ..." → "Pinsir is also obtainable ..."
  • The following sentence is kind of unclear on its own: "Pinsir is additionally obtainable in the games' remakes, Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen in the same ways, though is only exclusive to LeafGreen." If Pinsir is exclusive to LeafGreen, then is it not only obtainable through the same ways in LeafGreen? I.e., should the sentence not be, "Pinsir is also obtainable through the same ways in the remake Pokémon LeafGreen."? My assumption of the intended meaning is you can obtain Pinsir in FireRed by trading with players who caught Pinsir in LeafGreen, because FireRed has its own version exclusive equivalent to Pinsir. If that's the case then you can explain that as well.
    • I think it's better put in a subsequent sentence? "Pinsir also appears in Pokémon X and Y, where it can be caught exclusively in the X version, and can evolve into Mega Pinsir by holding the Pinsirite in-game item."
• "Pinsir also appears in the related anime." → Wrap the Wikilink for Pokémon (TV series) around "related anime" for clarity's sake.

Critical reception

• "Nintendo Life's Alex Olney in a retrospective of Pokémon from Red and Blue praised Pinsir heavily, feeling that ..." → Red, Blue should be italicised. Replace "feeling" with "writing".
• "IGN felt that Heracross introduction ..." → "IGN felt that the introduction of Heracross ..." or "IGN felt that Heracross's introduction ..."
• "... pointing out the similarities in their designs as development on the game's progressed ..." games not game's
• "... its mouth was sideways similar to Pinsir's." → "... its mouth was sideways like Pinsir's." Nitpick but the sentence is already quite long, so shortening it just a bit saves the reader some breath.
• "Though he felt Pinsir was still an interesting character with a storied presence in the franchise, he expressed his opinion that some players seemed more inclined to capture it solely to further complete their Pokédex." No change proposed, I just agree with Lucard.
• These two sentences sound like they could be combined and split differently: "Fan reaction to Pinsir has also been particularly strong. Said fans, along with Taiwanese gaming website ZhaiZhaiNews, voiced their dismay at its absence from Pokémon Sword and Shield along with its Mega evolution, the latter aspect seen as a significant character moment for the species due to its joy of flying."
  • Suggest: "Fan reaction to Pinsir has also been particularly strong, with many voicing their dismay – alongside Taiwanese gaming website ZhaiZhaiNews – at its absence from Pokémon Sword and Shield along with its Mega Evolution. The latter was seen as a significant character moment for the species due to its joy of flying."
    • Not entirely sure what is meant by "character moment", might be an awkward translation from Chinese? Is it necessary to include?
  • Is 'evolution' not capitalised here? It's capitalised earlier in the article when written as Mega Evolutions.
• "its 'disgusting...characteristic mouth'" → Needs a non-breaking space before and after the ... per MOS:ELLIPSIS.
• "... wrote for The Mainichi how characters ..." → "... wrote for The Mainichi about how characters ..."
• Any way to break up this massive sentence? "Reacting to a story of a child insisting of a toy of Pinsir despite the mother's protests that she should find a "cute" toy instead, Ryo emphasized that characters such as Pinsir and how fans reacted to them helped reflect not only how the latter had grown to love more than just the franchise's "popular" characters due to the attachments they had formed with them in the games, but also how they illustrated Pokémon's diversity, a term he noted was often thrown around but to him Pokémon exemplified."
  • Perhaps split it at "but also"? "Reacting to a story of a child insisting of a toy of Pinsir despite the mother's protests that she should find a "cute" toy instead, Ryo emphasized that characters such as Pinsir and how fans reacted to them helped reflect how the latter had grown to love more than just the franchise's "popular" characters due to the attachments they had formed with them in the games. He also pointed out how they illustrated Pokémon's diversity, a term he noted was often thrown around but to him Pokémon exemplified."
• "... felt that these displays helped re-emphasize Japanese cultural interest in insects and their youths use such beetles in insect battles." → "use of such"; and did you mean Japanese youths or the children of the authors? I assume the former so saying Japanese youths would be clearer than "their", which can apply to the authors per grammatical rules.

• Everything should be tackled above. I did rewrite the sentence about Hoenn to specifically say Ruby and Sapphire with a Prima Games guide ref to support as I feel that's clearer to the reader. Let me know if there's anything else that needs fixing!--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:19, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• @Kung Fu Man: I really like the wording you picked; the sentences sound much more clear and specific. One last thing though: In the sentence that cites ZhaiZhaiNews, the "E" in "Mega evolution" is not capitalised. If that is intended by you, could you confirm that for me? Yue🌙 18:41, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

• Just a goof, fixed.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:05, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Source spot-check and plagiarism check

Spot check done for citations 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 13, 19, 26, 34, 35, and 37; no issues arose. Earwig also returned no issues. Yue🌙 06:05, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 01:27, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Pinsirs have pincers?

• Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20120403083717/http://guides.ign.com/guides/9846/page_123.html

• • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by Kung Fu Man (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

7kk (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC).

• @7kk: Nomination fails WP:DYKFICTION: Given the fact that this is just describing a design detail with no real world context, it cannot feasibly be stated as having any. The article has several viable hooks that can be used that tie to the real world (Such as the bits about how its concept relates to real world entomology, the bits from the Mainichi source, or even some of the developmental information on the species, among other parts of the article).

Also, just a minor note: The plural of a Pokémon species is just the species name, so in this case, the plural of Pinsir would just be "Pinsir". Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 13:53, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Not a review or the nominator, but here to suggest a potential hook:

• ALT1: ... that the Pokémon Pinsir has "some of the gnarliest, ugliest, coolest teeth ever drawn"? Passes DYKFICTION, since this is a reviewer's quote

Juxlos (talk) 16:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

But is that really interesting? Per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, the hook should be "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." This hook is just citing how one reviewer thought about it, not anything else. Anyone can make a subjective opinion that a subject is "cool"; what makes Pinsir uniquely interesting from any other thing that can be described as "cool"? Why is it important that we know this? Right now all we're saying is that Pinsir exists and one dude thought it was cool. That's not really interesting, nor is it helpful. I'll see about making some ALT Hook suggestions later. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 13:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Creative works are always bastard hard to find interesting hooks for. I suggest something along the lines of ALT2: ... that rivalry displays involving the Pokémon Pinsir have been credited with re-emphasizing Japanese cultural interest in insects? (Is it worth adding Pinsir's national Pokédex number to the article and adding it to the hook, e.g. "the 127th Pokémon"?)--Launchballer 22:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Thank you for the hook! Completely forgot to leave suggestions, so this is much appreciated. I think this should work fine, but granted I am a bit worried that it's a bit WP:WEASELy due to not specify who's saying this, though I'm not sure if this is not an issue or not at DYK. I believe this is meant to be sourced to the American Entomologist, correct? Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 23:41, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah. ALT2a: ... that American Entomologist credited rivalry displays involving the Pokémon Pinsir with re-emphasizing Japanese cultural interest in insects?--Launchballer 23:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Should be good to go! Thank you for your help. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 00:24, 17 April 2025 (UTC)