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I won't even mention the beginning of a sub-section with the word "It" when we have no idea what "it" refers to. That aside, how about telling us what Vincent Ramos was charged with? If the laws of Canada or the U.S.A. make it illegal to possess a phone-device where I speak into an encrypting device, it in turn speaks noise into the phone, the other party on the call puts his speaker where it sprays the noise to a decryption-device, and the decryption-device plays ordinary audible speech for me to hear, please tell us WHICH statues of Canada and the U.S.A. are involved. Maybe it's not illegal to possess such a device but is, but, if so, why should it be illegal to sell something that is not illegal to possess? Doesn't Wikipedia agree that we should know what those laws are so that we can get them changed to prevent eaves-dropping on our conversations about humiliating things that happened to us which would cause shame if anyone other than our closest friends knew about it? And no, "Criminal Code" is not a law. It's all the laws. Be more specific 2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 (talk) 11:31, 8 March 2025 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence SimpsonReply
That is a fair question, and yes the article could be more specific. See this press release from USDOJ: Vincent Ramos, the chief executive of Canada-based Phantom Secure, and four of his associates were indicted by a federal grand jury today on charges that they knowingly and intentionally participated in a criminal enterprise that facilitated the transnational importation and distribution of narcotics through the sale and service of encrypted communications. (emphasis mine). Lower down in the press release it is specific on statues:
Racketeering Conspiracy to Conduct Enterprise Affairs (RICO Conspiracy), in violation of 18 USC §1962(d)
Conspiracy to Aid and Abet the Distribution of Narcotics, in violation of 21 USC §841 and 846; Title 18 USC §2
It looks like he pled guilty to the RICO charge and the drug trafficking conspiracy charge was dropped.
It's not that it was illegal for him to make the encryption service, the problem is that (I am guessing) he marketed it to drug traffickers and was probably in direct communication with them, being perfectly aware of what business they were in. --Nanite (talk) 17:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC)Reply
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