Talk:Peronism

Movement

I wonder if it wouldn't be better to describe Peronism as a "movement" rather than an "ideology". Of this movement, there are several factions, ie the political parties... -- Viajero 13:42 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Race

What's with "Racism is often made out to be integral to fascism"? I suppose that I can't argue too much with "often": plenty of people want to tie fascism to every bad thing that's out there, and I understand the appeal of such a position. Still, for an encyclopedia article, that could use some sourcing. To the best of my knowledge, Mussolini wasn't particularly racist (though he was certainly nationalist and imperialist, and certainly not anti-racist). -- Jmabel 07:40, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Racism would not have had any appeal in Argentina, a country that was lily-white in the 1950s and is about 97% white today. There were not enough minorities for any racist campaign to have any sort of appeal. Peron did, when speaking to an international audience, come off as an anti-racist. With regards to Argentina's Jewish community, Peron himself did not seem to be an antisemite and there were sizeable numbers of Jewish Peronists, yet his Education Minister, Hugo Wass, was a vocal anti-semite who dismissed many Jewish professors and secondary school teachers. In my opinion, Peron's interests lie in political power rather than ethnic supremacy, much like Napoleon I. (anonymous, 17 March 2005)

I* No real disagreement with any of that, but I will point out that many Poles these days can be quite anti-Semitic without needing to have any actual Jews to blame things on. And there certainly has been no shortage of anti-Semitism in Argentina at various times. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:07, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

I, too, have a problem with the statement that racism is thought to be integral to fascism. It is not part of the definition of fascism and many fascisms were not racist. I'm deleting said sentence. -ZeroAsALimit

I'd also love to see a little more analysis of what Peronism means in contemporary Argentina. -- Jmabel 07:40, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The article is biased toward National Socialism. Most people who would consider themselves as National Socialists, as opposed to those who label themselves Nazi hunters, anti-fascists, ie. people who are ideological leftists, would see Peronism as something very similar, if not identical to NS. There were no concentration camps in Germany before the outbreak of WWII. There is no such thing in NS as a slave work ideology based on "racist superiority" but a belief that races should be segregated and groups that are considered hostile or criminal (not because of race issues) should be kept out. It was only during WWII that concentration camps became necessary for German war efforts, in the same way, that men were drafted for the army a working force had to be drafted for the war economy.

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         WHO WAS JUAN PERON? THE CASE  "GIOVANNI PIRAS - JUAN PERON"

(the truth on the origins of Juan Domingo Peron) ¿DONDE NACIÓ PERÓN? a sardinian enigma in the history of Argentina. (That is published by the investigation’s autors Gabriele Casula and Raffaele Ballore). One of the most mysterious and fascinating cases of the modern history of Mamoiada, a village of the central Sardinia in province of Nuoro (Italy), is with no doubt the one of " Giovanni Piras - Juan Peron ":that is to say two names, two individuals, in truth were the same person. Sure, it is hard to believe that mythical General Juan Peron, three times president of the Argentine, was, exactly, Giovanni Piras, that same humble peasant that at the beginning of the century emigrated young in South America. You will all ask why this Giovanni Piras would have had to change identity or why Juan Peron hid his true origin. Piras had to create for himself an Argentine birth in order to avoid the call to the arms for war 1915-18 from part of his native land and to escape the officials of the Italian embassy, who searched the emigrant deserters. In that period Giovanni Piras, with the aid of powerful persons that were also friends, found the most suitable situation to creep in: a substitution of person was put into effect, which served also in order to undertake the studies to the Military Academy, granted only to the Argentinean citizens, born and nationalized in Argentine. To change identity was, in fact, the sole manner to enter the Colegio Militar. Once he became the President of the Argentine Republic, to greater reason his true identity did not have to be revealed, since the Argentinean Constitution states that the President of the nation must be native of the place. An irreversible process, a point of no return had been primed; the situation became very serious and dangerous for Peron because with the person substitution a fraud had happened to the State, a serious crime and not only for a politician. To reveal the true identity meant to compromise his credibility, his deep concept of native land, of " betrayal of the native land, and of being a true, genuine and faithful Argentinean ", that he exalted and repeated in many speeches; it meant to lose his rank, his uniform and his power. To rigor of logic, this was the reason for which he hid his true identity, a much dangerous one for his position; otherwise, Peron would have shown his true origin, as he went proud of it. Peron justified his great love for Sardinia and the Sardinians saying that the paternal great-grandfather had come from that island, therefore he had Sardinian blood in the veins, but later, his alibi of this declared ancestors did not stand firm. In one of the books of Enrique Pavòn Pereyra, a personal biographer of Juan Peron, a great enigmatic draw has a sentence (dictated to the writer from the exiled Argentinean in his Madrilenian house) on how he jealously preserved the origin of his birth rate; it reads so: “I have played with my destiny a magical bet, and I was successful until today conserving my origins as deep secret”. In Mamoiada this is a case debated from almost sixty years: in the 1951 N. Tola by the newspaper “Unione Sarda”; in the 1984 P. Canneddu whith the book “Juan Peron-Giovanni Piras two names one person”; in the 200/3 the report of Raffaele Ballore an the book of Gabriele Casula “¿DONDE NACIÓ PERÓN? un enigma sardo nella storia dell’Argentina” have illustrated the proofs collected, unmasking and effectively demonstrating plenty of the contradictions of Peron and of the Argentinean historians with documents and photographs, beyond numerous documented oral testimonies and coincidences. The great Argentine press and the living biographers of general Peron never answered to the appeals to discuss the case. Their indisposition to reconsider objectively and serenely the whole story is to be interpreted like fear of the truth and that their studies on the important personage could be knocked down and mocked. The case could feed ideological earthquakes or provoke patriotic resentments. The worries for the risk of tearing open this myth are comprehensible, but the historical truth must not have compromises. From the author’s part, to prove the true identity of Peron in no way must be seen as a discourteous action towards the Argentinean people nor a way to lessen the myth of their former President: if he was elected democratically for three times it means that he must have had some merit, indeed, together with Evita he remains a mythical personage in the entire Latin American panorama. Only after reading the report and the book an objective judgment can be expressed and a conclusion can be attained. The report is documented and deposited, every information is reliable; not only the several oral testimonies are there but, this time, also documentary and photographic proofs. For more informations to the report and the book please visit the site www.piras-per

Is Carlos Menem really a Peronist?

Hi I am writing this to discuss whether or not we agree that Carlos Menem was a Peronist. I recognize that Menem was a member of the Justicialist party but that doesn't make him a Peronist. My argument for why I don't see Carlos Menem as a Peronist are as follows: This is taken from an excerpt from Machine Politics and Democracy: The Deinstitutionalization of the Argentine Party System by Geraldo Scherlis, "the PJ leader (Menem) launched a of market-oriented reforms that had no parallel in Latin A Some top party officials were quick to criticize the direction that government policy was taking. Peronism had always been associated with a protectionist economy, and Peronist legislators had stubbornly opposed the timid attempts of the Alfonsin administration to privatize a small set of publicly owned companies two years earlier" My second argument lies that many undisputably Peronist leaders denounced and reversed his policies. Examples of this are Renationalization of YPF I also think this article by the Guardian does a good job by contrasting Menem to Néstor Kirchner Kingllama100 (talk) 23:40, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Guardian article is linked to Nestor for some reason.. but what do you guys think? is it fair to call Menem a Peronist and/or include him in this article as one? Kingllama100 (talk) 01:02, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Menem became president with the support of Peronism, retained that support for the 10 years of his rule, and even served for many terms as a Peronist senator after that. Those are the facts.

As for the "No true Scotsman" argument that Menem was not a "real" Peronist, those are a usual thing and have been aimed at all noteworthy Peronist leaders; even against Peron himself. Same thing goes for Peronism playing both government and opposition. By "many undisputably Peronist leaders" you mean the Kirchners and Kicillof? Because we can easily find examples of Peronists saying that the K are not "real" Peronists either. Cambalachero (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Category:Third Position

Third Position put forward by Juan Perón is by no means a concept limited solely to Third Worldism. Peronism was also related to Italian fascism and Francoism, and the Third Position he put forward means that. ProgramT (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2026 (UTC)