Talk:Orange Order

"Played an important role in the history of Canada"

This claim is made in the article but is not substantiated. Please describe how it is true. 216.126.200.242 (talk) 21:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

"sectarian" claims

I have been advised this may be a topic best for the talk page.

The Orange Order is described in it's lead line as a "sectarian" organisation. Somebody who presumably disagreed with this characterisation removed it.

I think this discription is objective and completely fair. The Order is widely described in this language by media, civic leaders, academics, local news, and parliamentary reports

At risk of asking can we get a consensus on if the sky is blue, can we get a consensus on this description of the Order as accurate? 2A00:23C7:9045:2001:8CE6:11A8:C851:85C2 (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The Orange Order is described in it's lead line as a "sectarian" organisation. Herein lies the problem - the quoted statement is simply not true. It was not so described until the 12th July, when an IPv6 editor with the same initial four groups of digits as yours (was it you?) added it. It has since been removed by five different editors. You are familiar with WP policies, so you should be well aware of WP:CONSENSUS. Get it, rather than edit war even as you open a talk page section. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 10:12, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Three reasons I can think of why "sectarian" does not need to be in this article: (1) The Orange Order, as a Protestant organization, specifically excludes Catholics from membership. The similar (though smaller in Ulster) Ancient Order of Hibernians is a Catholic organization which specifically excludes Protestants from membership. Nowhere on the Wikipedia page for the AOH could I find where the AOH was specifically described as "sectarian". The two similar organizations should be treated similarly. And I would argue that neither needs to be described as "sectarian" because... (2) The word "sectarian" is defined as "of, relating to, or characteristic of a sect". With both the OO and AOH, religion defines the "sect" they belong to. The article already states that the Orange Order is exclusively Protestant, so saying the Order is "sectarian" is simply redundant and unnecessary. (3) The Order may indeed be sectarian, because it relates to a particular sect, but "sectarian" is a loaded word, carrying with it a lot of political baggage, and Wikipedia's guidance on NPOV specifically says to avoided loaded words. Eastcote (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

It seems from multiple sources cited in the article that the Orange Order itself already carries far more political baggage than merely the term sectarian. 2001:BB6:F90:C358:4C1:3BD9:BC51:DD8D (talk) 08:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:NPOV certainly doesn't prevent us from reporting that reliable sources call the organisation sectarian - in fact, it specifies that articles should represent "fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic". Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all with that, once it's attributed and not a "declaration" in Wikivoice. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

It is attributed already, albeit not to specific authors: "whilst critics accuse it of being sectarian". Cordless Larry (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Active in Queensland from 1867

The Order does not seem to be mentioned in this article as having been active in Australia?

I'm assisting in a project to index the membership registers of the Loyal Orange Institution of Queensland from 1867 to 2000 on behalf of the Queensland Family History Society. Currently there are 4,804 entries online. These are linked to images of the original register pages. We anticipate that there will be over 20,000 entries when the project has completed. You can read more about it here https://www.qfhs.org.au/online-access/dataset-support/about-loiq/

Note that access to the data is currently behind a login for QFHS members. Johnperryn (talk) 03:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Major Changes this past July

There were huge cuts to this article made last July by Iskandar323, who cited lack of citations as justification for his removing major parts of the article. Most of his cuts seem to have related to the Orange Order's activities outside of Ireland: in Scotland, the United States, Australia, Canada, etc. I apologize for only bringing this up now, months after the fact, but I was traveling a bit last summer and didn't see the changes until now. I do not see that the removal of long-standing and major portions of the article were discussed on the talk page, so I would like to ask Iskandar323 to please explain why he removed these portions. I contributed some of them, relating to the United States, and my edits were indeed accompanied by citations. Please explain if you will. If there is no explanation forthcoming, then I will add these deleted portions back to the article. Eastcote (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

It was clearly done (I believe) on the basis on Irish Nationalism, in order to isolate sectarianism to ‘Ireland’ to make a clearer case for Unification (by making it Irish Catholics vs “Irish” Protestants).

Similarly if you look on the “Talk” page for “Sectarianism in Glasgow” you can see a call for the article to be deleted in favour of it being simply under “Sectarianism”, despite Scotland not even being listed in the page about sectarianism (obviously ridiculous). I’ve had similar occur on pages about famous Northern Irish Protestants, where I have removed “is an Irish” in favour of “is a” unless they have stated they are either or (similar policy to the Jaime Dornan page) but they change it back (without providing the context for the changes as I do). The editing war is obvious.

I live near an Orange Lodge and near Harthill (which has a sectarian song about it), i grew up with KAT and Ulster Banners as a Catholic kid. And when I visited Belfast was genuinely surprised by the amount Rangers flags, there is a very clear “hands across the water” link here that is trying to be erased.

I would simply return the page, If they have objections they can try to justify it in the talk page. 2A02:C7E:5A64:2A00:8122:A48C:AAFD:DE8F (talk) 03:49, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Protestant denominations

Is there any statistics about the Protestant denominations affiliation in the Oranger Order? I`m sure there are Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, possibly even Baptists and others.Mistico Dois (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2026 (UTC)