Talk:Operation Northern Shield
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Attribution
[edit]For now, the article fails to mention that it is wholly based on what Israel and IDF say, as far as I could read in the (reliable) sources. Wakari07 (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- This reads like it was taken straight from an IDF press release. Hardly even deserves an article. FunkMonk (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- This clearly has SIGCOV.Icewhiz (talk) 03:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Significantly covered sets of allegations, yes. But as of yet unattributed in the article. Press releases presented as facts, thus bordering on factlessness. In scientific terms, it badly needs peer review. To start with, every sentence should start with: "Netanyahu says" or "Conricus says". The current events entry starts with: "Israel announces". The BBC article starts with "Israel says", the second paragraph with "Israel says", the third paragraph starts with "It [Israel] does not say". and so on... Maybe a notable addition would be "Hezbollah said nothing". Wakari07 (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Oh - it's beyond that. The tunnels are verified beyond "Israel says" - reporters were there on the ground and reported. Likewise, troops movements, digging, etc. Icewhiz (talk) 15:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe read the title of the BBC article:
— what are these quotation marks doing there? Wakari07 (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Israel targets Hezbollah 'terror tunnels'
- On
reporters were there on the ground and reported
: "CNN crews witnessed excavators and heavy machinery operating on the Israeli side of the border wall between the two locations." Nothing about having visited the tunnels or so. Wakari07 (talk) 17:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)- On 7 December, UNIFIL confirmed one tunnel. Wakari07 (talk) 23:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe read the title of the BBC article:
- Oh - it's beyond that. The tunnels are verified beyond "Israel says" - reporters were there on the ground and reported. Likewise, troops movements, digging, etc. Icewhiz (talk) 15:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Significantly covered sets of allegations, yes. But as of yet unattributed in the article. Press releases presented as facts, thus bordering on factlessness. In scientific terms, it badly needs peer review. To start with, every sentence should start with: "Netanyahu says" or "Conricus says". The current events entry starts with: "Israel announces". The BBC article starts with "Israel says", the second paragraph with "Israel says", the third paragraph starts with "It [Israel] does not say". and so on... Maybe a notable addition would be "Hezbollah said nothing". Wakari07 (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- This clearly has SIGCOV.Icewhiz (talk) 03:36, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Chronology
[edit]According to the Boston Globe source, the operation was planned for a year and a half. It may be useful to expand the scope of this article by adding a chronology leading up to the announcement and start of the operation. The New York Times also has interesting info. The "defend our skies" blurb that I deleted happened the previous week, on or just after Thursday 29 November, not on or after 4 December: it was described in the source that I deleted for now. That source is dated 3 December. Wakari07 (talk) 17:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- I could not find a reliable source that says "defend our skies" started a week earlier. Please provide a link. 2600:1700:1111:5940:FC98:AE83:2980:F43C (talk) 01:40, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's in the Washington Post source in the article. Wakari07 (talk) 03:56, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- I could not find a reliable source that says "defend our skies" started a week earlier. Please provide a link. 2600:1700:1111:5940:FC98:AE83:2980:F43C (talk) 01:40, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
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