Talk:Norinco

Questionable Information

Moved from main article to here until reliable and current sources are provided:

Norinco has numerous U.S.-based subsidiaries, including Beta Chemical, Beta Toys, Larin, and Forte Lighting. Although disclosure requirements and Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) differ in China compared to American and Western publicly held corporations, Norinco's earnings in 1994 were an estimated $31 billion.

has nothing to do with 500 tons of VX precursors; the subject is accounting transperancy, disclousre, and estimated revenue. nobs

No one said anything about precursors. The above paragraph was moved here because it lacks a reliable source citation. What is the source for the $31 billion figure? FYI - When Forte Lighting is contacted directly, they confirm they are not a subsidiary, never have been, and are privately owned. 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The following information, and linked source, does not specifically implicate Norinco. In fact, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See

In 1998 a Norinco subsidiary in Hong Kong sold Iran 500 tons of phosphorus pentasulfide, a component in pesticides and high-performance lubricants. This material, while not an illegal or controlled substance under the CWC, is also considered a precursor in the production of some V-Series nerve gasses such as VX. China has since voluntarily added phosphorus pentasulfide to its list of controlled chemical exports.

cia.gov conference reports says "Norinco front company in Hong Kong". Is this the source in question? --nobs

That is not a source. That is a report. That report cites Con Coughlin, "China Helps Iran to Make Nerve Gas," The Sunday Telegraph (Internet Version), May 24, 1998, transcribed by FBIS, FTS 19980525000796. as its source. As stated above, the source cited at the link given doesn't present any connection between Norinco and China's SinoChem Corporation - the actual source of the chemicals. See 165.247.221.163 08:50, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Citations

with all the heavy handedness of "reliable sourcing" on wikipedia the citation for Axios? Never heard of them and the article structure the link directs to feels all over the place, if you call that an article. Seems like it was written by a bot. With 2 citations I don't feel there needs to be a 3rd and would not personally consider Axios as a reliable source. Based on the quality I feel the argument on why Axios is actually a reliable source, where others are not, would be that Theyve spun off from their careers at Politico and WAPO and are now oligarchs by pedigree of those ordained as ministers of reliable sources here. In a vacuum, based solely on the quality of that citation. I wouldnt link it on grounds Ive never heard of them and poor quality with no value added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:A0C3:5500:FC73:195A:5398:ED88 (talk) 09:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 13 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Data and editors agree that Norinco is the WP:COMMONNAME. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 14:37, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

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China North Industries Corporation → Norinco – Common name. Defense news sites seem to exclusively refer to this company as "Norinco." Most non-English, non-Chinese Wikipedias (Wikidata) also call it "Norinco." Schierbecker (talk) 02:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 何をしましたか？那晚安啦。 08:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. --Eldomtom2 (talk) 11:02, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support, the Norinco shorthand far outweighs uses of the full name. Pikavoom ^Talk 07:11, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom DownTownRich (talk) 08:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Split proposal

As indicated by these two different sources, Norinco and Norinco Group are two different companies that operate in different fields and have slightly different histories (Norinco is an export company with no manufacturing capabilities, while Norinco Group is a Chinese manufacturing conglomerate). Though they are definitely related, I feel like they should be split to reduce the possibility of readers confusing the two. Wuzh (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Critical info missing

What this company makes is missing. Also, that info is extremely critical. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I've restored the old list of Norinco products. Why it was deleted in the first place is beyond me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.165.171.185 (talk) 19:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Food for thought: most arms manufacturers have a non-exhaustive list of products on their articles (and have been structured as such for the past two decades). I recall during the 2010s that these lists were then expanded to their own pages as directories, but for the sake of not making Wikipedia a directory, I'm seeing the new modern initiative is to leave a list at the bottom of the article in relation to Norinco and its major end-user (the PLA) rather than dedicate another page as a directory.

Does this break precedent in relation to other manufacturers' pages? I do not see this type of redaction of information under similar articles (Armalite, Colt, Sig Sauer, Howa, SNT Motiv, Kalashnikov Concern, H&K, etc.). I also can observe that the user responsible for this redaction has been a point of discussion for COI and has had a large history of redacting information on China-related articles in recent years.

Prior edits to this article do not list product prices and commercial availability, so I cannot find any reason for the deletion of the Products list for Norinco specifically, other than to obfuscate relevant information that other manufacturer articles make redundant and more visible. Vedrisca (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)