Talk:Musqueamview Street

Requested move 19 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Opposition appears to be unanimous, and thus I have withdrawn my request per WP:RMEC. Coleisforeditor (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

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Musqueamview Street → Šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm StreetŠxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street – Musqueamview Street is not the name, it is a semi-official translation used only for systems which require it. Media refers to it more often in its official Halkomelem name. Coleisforeditor (talk) 20:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, I would like to mention that the Americanist phonetic notation, the alphabet used, is a Latin script, and given the non-anglicanised/translated form "šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm" is used more often, the move would align with policy. Coleisforeditor (talk) 21:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

How would you expect to have people search this article up without standard Latin letters? We are on English Wikipedia after all. GarethBaloney 21:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:REDIRECT.

The policy I mention lists examples of non-English alphabet letters being used. Coleisforeditor (talk) 05:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:ENGLISHTITLE, "Names not originally in a Latin alphabet, such as Greek, Chinese, or Russian names, must be romanized". So your suggestion is a non-starter I'm afraid — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

This is a Latin alphabet, see other parts of the discussion. Latin script ≠ English alphabet but English alphabet = Latin script. Coleisforeditor (talk) 05:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

• Comment The nom states that "media refers to it more often in its official Halkomelem name." Given that this name change happened literally three days ago, this is a dubious assertion. 162 etc. (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not even sure this deserves an article. See WP:NOTNEWS. 162 etc. (talk) 00:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

  I agree with that. It's not even like it's a major arterial, it's just a residential street.

  Also in my opinion, it didn't really make sense to 1) rename a minor street instead of a major street and 2) not change it to the name of a historically notable indigenous person. Cganuelas (talk) 12:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

  Are you saying you don't personally agree with the name change? The job of Wikipedia is to state what is, not what the editors personally want it to be (WP:IDONTLIKEIT). Coleisforeditor (talk) 14:09, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

  I don't see how WP:NOTNEWS applies here – it largely applies to original reporting and content more fit for Wikinews. The content fits the WP:GNG despite the maintenance template (editor vaguely explained with "City streets typically do not meet GNG"). Additionally, some arguments in WP:FUNPOLICE apply here. Coleisforeditor (talk) 14:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

  Note that per WP:NOTNEWS, "most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion". The street itself does not appear to be notable - the only thing that sources are reporting on is the news about its renaming. There's no reason why this can't be covered in a sentence or two at Kitsilano or Vancouver. 162 etc. (talk) 18:07, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

  That guidance, and NOTNEWS in general, is largely for events.

  Properties/events are what make something notable, in this case its name. The article is not about the event of it being renamed, the article is about something that is made notable by that event. Coleisforeditor (talk) 18:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. OP offers no evidence that "Šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm Street" is most commonly used (...) in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources. I also have some serious doubts about the notability of this street, as I've expressed above, but that would be best discussed at WP:AFD. 162 etc. (talk) 20:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

GNG

Article meets WP:GNG ― maintenance template should be removed. (User:SounderBruce, notifying you per WP:WTRMT)

A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

• "Significant coverage" – See references in article or search on Google
• "Reliable" – Sources used are reputable, large scale and reliable. Official city materials can be assumed to be correct for where it is used
• "Sources" – Multiple sources independent of each other and the city are used
• "Independent of the subject" – City materials are used only two times to back up claims or for mundane claims such as road length or dates, elsewhere independent sources are used.

Coleisforeditor (talk) 15:27, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Assuming consensus by WP:SILENCE Coleisforeditor (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Restored the notability template. I'll note that two editors raised notability concerns at the above RM discussion, so there is evident disagreement.

The only significant coverage concerns the renaming of Musqueamview Street - not the street itself. Perhaps you could make a case at WP:AFD that Renaming of Musqueamview Street meets WP:GNG - but the article as it is today likely does not. 162 etc. (talk) 16:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Shouldn't the non-English name still be capitalised?

It is still spelled in (modified) Latin alphabet and is somewhat treated as English name considering the word Street was not translated to First Nations language. Also, when going to Wikipefia article for that language, it seems the names are still capitalised in the language. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The Musqueam alphabet uses Americanist phonetic notation and is unicase; it does not include uppercase letters. -insert valid name here- (talk) 23:38, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

History section

I was thinking. Maybe someone who knows more about the history of the city, could add some history section to this article. Maybe mention when the street was orignally built, when was it originally named, what important buildings were built around etc. Cause for now article only talks about how it got its current name, but it also existed before 2025. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 02:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)