Talk:Muhammad Tayrab

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• ... that Muhammad Tayrab is thought to have been Darfur's greatest sultan?

• Source: The Darfur Sultanate: A history (2008) by R. S. O'Fahey pg. 57

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Say Hello to Someone in Massachusetts
  • Comment: The source for the hook is offline unfortunately, but I can send a photo of the page if someone drops me an email (Special:EmailUser). I've struggled to come up w more hooks tbh

Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 00:34, 15 August 2026 (UTC).

• New, long enough, nicely written, AGF-ing on sourcing and paraphrasing, QPQ done. The hook doesn't work: it has a subjective absolute (I tend to be lienient with those, but this is a bit too assertive: "did you know that he was the greatest sultan? well did you?!"; it is also arguably not verified, as the quote in O'Fahey is much softer). I have to say I am also struggling to understand why you would struggle to find a hookier hook in an article that contains the following line: "As a trophy, he cut off the chief's beard and displayed it in his house." Another thing (not disqualifying per se, but needs a fix): a large portion, one mentioning that territorial acquisitions made Darfur larger than Nigeria, is only cited at the end, with two sources. But the facts in the paragraph are so diverse that it is quite unlikely that both sources verify the entirety of the claims (including that they both thought of the Nigeria comparison -- did they?). Please fix this by attributing more clearly. Dahn (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

• @Kowal2701: The above needs to be addressed before this can be approved. Please post below when you are ready for this to be re-reviewed. Z1720 (talk) 03:08, 1 September 2026 (UTC)

Apologies, I'm not ignoring this, it's just been sitting in my pings as I get swamped w stuff lol, I'll address this tomorrow (hopefully), thanks Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:42, 3 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Dahn, agreed on the hook (I usually struggle w hooks tbh lol). The bit about Nigeria is on pgs 55-6 of O'Fahey 2008 (Darfur plus Kordofan, an area larger than modern Nigeria, thus became the largest pre-modern state created within what is now Sudan.), tbh I think moving it to be directly inline would make things too cluttered as I'd have to repeat the refs for the previous sentence as well (more problematic because of {{rp}}, subreferencing can't come soon enough!). How's the following:

ALT1: ... that Darfurian sultan Muhammad Tayrab cut off the beard of a rebellious chief he had defeated, and displayed it as a trophy in his house?

Thanks again, Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 21:41, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, Kowal2701. I think you used the most awkward referencing system of those we can use ("sfn" is much simpler, and I personally use an even more free-form one in articles I write), and therefore I see your predicament; while it would be ideal for the citations to be redistributed somehow, it is by no means a disqualifying concern. I have however both suggested the new hook and made significant edits to the article, so I think another reviewer is needed to wrap this up. From my view, it all checks out. Dahn (talk) 04:25, 5 September 2026 (UTC)