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Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2024

change "champ" to champion Siarra117 (talk) 00:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 14:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Outside of quotes, 'champ' appears twice in the article. Neither of the uses appear to be egregious, and I believe most readers see the terms as interchangeable. So, what exactly is the issue here? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 03:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Stance

he was muslim not orthodox 196.190.61.184 (talk) 03:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Stance is a boxing term, not a religious one. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 03:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

He was a Muslim when he was an

adult 213.217.214.213 (talk) 11:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding link to Doug Jones (boxer)

The page is locked. Can some registered user please add the above link to Doug Jones’ page to his name in the list of Ali’s bouts. It is plain text at the present time. Thank you.2601:196:180:DC0:5C45:48EB:C727:25A1 (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Doug Jones is already linked in that table. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Muhammeds Parkinson edit request on 5 June 2024

Parkinson disease has no known cause, if Muhammad Ali's PD was caused by repeated blows to the head as is claimed then it would be more accurate to say he developed parkinsonism (motor symptoms similar to those caused by PD but rather caused by a different neurological condition which in this case would most likely be TBI or CTE) 2600:100F:B1B9:F40E:DD22:9688:AC02:39DB (talk) 18:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done To say Ali had "Parkinsonism", we need to have reliable sources that say that. We as editors cannot make diagnoses. Wikipedia articles are built from reliable sources. See also WP:VNT. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2024

Request to change the sentence about Cherry Hill NJ being a suburb of Philadelphia. I am from Cherry Hill, it's in Camden County New Jersey, located in South Jersey. Very separate from Philadelphia, which is in an entirely different state. Zakkiyya8711 (talk) 05:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: see Cherry Hill, New Jersey or other cities that are along/split by state borders Cannolis (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

agree 31.94.10.146 (talk) 11:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Not done:

Request to change the sentence about Cherry Hill NJ being a suburb of Philadelphia. I am from Cherry Hill, it's in Camden County New Jersey, located in South Jersey. Very separate from Philadelphia, which is in an entirely different state 110.39.18.6 (talk) 13:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

The Philadelphia metropolitan area crosses state lines, including New Jersey, and includes Cherry Hill. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2024

Please correct grammar on this line: "During two bouts he had in 1973 with Joe Bugner and Ken Norton, he wore a "People's Choice" robe which was given to him by Elvis Presley.[99]"

(perhaps insert "was given" after "robe which") Elwell149 (talk) 22:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done Thanks! LizardJr8 (talk) 03:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Too much duplication of Ali's boxing career article

I think since there is a page for his boxing career, this page should be trimmed. A lot of it is just copied. Why does there need to be so much duplication? Seananony (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

i think there is to much in the fighting career section but i dont think we should change it because it is in history/ SET IN STONE Historyismyspecialty (talk) 18:39, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Temica Williams allegation

From the article:

His mother Temica Williams (also known as Rebecca Holloway) launched a $3 million lawsuit against Ali in 1981 for sexual assault, claiming that she had started a sexual relationship with him when she was 12, and that her son Osmon (born 1977) was fathered by Ali when she was 17.

The source for this claim (https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/04/24/An-18-year-old-woman-has-filed-suit-seeking-3-million/3454356936400/) states that Williams was 18 when she filed the suit in 1981, and that her son was born in 1977, so she could not have been 17 when Ali (allegedly) fathered him. Could "when she was 17" be removed please as no source given supports this? 86.130.132.192 (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

when Ali (allegedly) fathered him <- this is a huge and unsupported alegation. Historyismyspecialty (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

it certainly is a possibility though Historyismyspecialty (talk) 18:37, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2025

Would like to add this relevant link below to the Muhammed Ali Wiki page - a Louis Vuitton ad using his words and musician Yaesin Bae

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0Vz5Y55vk 60.242.182.133 (talk) 11:05, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Where exactly would you like this added and for what purpose? GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 01:11, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Muhammad Ali standing over Sonny Liston.jpg

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 05:51, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Check the delete page to see my explanation on how it’s Public Domain Wcamp9 (talk) 22:38, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Split proposed

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

No consensus to split at this time. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

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I propose that the Legacy section be split to Legacy of Muhammad Ali. By use of the prosesize tool, it has 1,445 words. Therefore, moving it out to a separate article would get this article out of (close to) "very long" status. There is also precedent for having separate legacy articles. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 20:12, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

By the way, given there are no objections to this split occurring, I can perform the split. I've done much bigger ones than this before. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 07:30, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I objected above and continue to object.--Jahalive (talk) 18:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I didn't take your words above as an objection to this specific split, and this is the section where objections to this specific split are raised. Also, simply opposing it isn't an actual objection - a policy or guidelines-based rationale is expected. And, of course, alternative ideas for how to reduce the article's size are welcome, but belong in the previous discussion "Very long". Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:12, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I object to the proposed split. See the following from WP:HASTE – "Sometimes an article simply needs to be big to give the subject adequate coverage." GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 23:25, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidelines-based objection. I understand it. And I ultimately have no issue really with keeping this section in (and less work for the splitter, heh). At the same time, this seems the kind of material that works better in a separate article, as it can be further fleshed out without getting the likely regular nag about how big this article is getting. Remember that it can be summarized here, so we don't have to lose the legacy discussion altogether. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 00:08, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Maybe it makes more sense to move all the information from the section "Exhibition bouts" to the Boxing career of Muhammad Ali article page? I mean most of the information is already in the Later career section of that article, but maybe we can just add the rest of the info from here to there and just delete "Exhibition bouts" section here entirely? On top of that, we can also move the "Amateur career" section of this article to Boxing career of Muhammad Ali as well. Not sure why his amateur career isn’t mentioned in that article anyway. I know it’s not much, but at least it’s something. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 00:36, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Your ideas have merit, but I don't see why all the ideas combined cannot be done; that is, do this split, and also move out the exhibition/amateur/entertainment career content. After all, it's still going to be a large article even if we make all these changes. But maybe then it will be much more manageable to read. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 01:10, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I as the proposer sees that a postponement is within reason, although I think this split will eventually happen. It is a subtopic that could easily be further filled out, and this article seems to keep growing and growing. Closing. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Very long

This article is too long to read and navigate comfortably. When the tag was added, its readable prose size was 14,656 words words. Consider splitting content into sub-article or condensing it. The article size impacts usability in multiple ways: Reader issues, such as attention span, readability, organization, information saturation, etc. (when articles are large). Total article size should be kept reasonably low, particularly for readers using slow internet connections or mobile devices or who have slow computer loading. Some large articles exist for topics that require depth and detail, but typically articles of such size are split into two or more smaller articles.

Word count	What to do
> 15,000 words	Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed.
this article 14,656 words words	Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed
> 9,000 words	Probably should be divided or trimmed.

— Isaidnoway (talk) 20:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)—

Having a separate Legacy of Muhammad Ali article seems like low-hanging fruit for this purpose. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:00, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

That section wouldn't be my first choice.--Jahalive (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I wasn't suggesting it's a first or only choice, just the easiest big chunk to move out. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

It is less than 15,000 words so "Almost certainly should be divided or trimmed" is Isaidnoway 's opinion, not the guideline.

When Boxing career of Muhammad Ali was created, not much of what was moved there was rewritten here in Wikipedia:Summary style. If that was done it could make this smaller.

or

Most of the "Entertainment career" section could be moved to Muhammad Ali in media and popular culture.--Jahalive (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

14,656 words is 344 words away from 15,000 words, so yeah, it's close enough to the guideline where it almost certainly should be divided or trimmed. Isaidnoway (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

There has been discussion here and in the later split discussion on moving some content to subarticles. There hasn't been objection to the ideas other than the specific split below. Is there any reason these other ideas have been put on hold? Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 14:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I could be open to creating a subarticle titled Legacy of Muhammad Ali now, but I also still think that it seems appropriate to move his Amateur career and Exhibition bouts from this article to Boxing career of Muhammad Ali. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

I am totally fine with the bulk of the exhibition bouts content being moved to Boxing career of Muhammad Ali, but leaving behind a small paragraph summary. I am less comfortable with moving out the amateur career content, as it's just two paragraphs and his amateur period is a significant part of his lore.

As for creating Legacy of Muhammad Ali, I had thought you objected, but if you no longer object, then certainly, feel free to do a WP:SPLIT. I can assist if needed, as I've done bigger splits than this. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 01:23, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Oh, I had forgotten that the amateur period wasn't covered in Boxing career of Muhammad Ali, so maybe that could be copied over, with the possibility of that being expanded in the subarticle. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 01:27, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, his amateur career is short enough and significant enough to be left here. Strange it’s never been copied and expanded on in Boxing career of Muhammad Ali. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2025

In post-Heavyweight champ section, add paragraph break between “Ali dominated Williams, winning a third-round technical knockout in what some consider the finest performance of his career.”

And

“Ali fought Terrell in Houston on February 6, 1967.”

To improve clarity. (Potentially also restate Ernie Terrell’s name in the new paragraph to minimize confusion.) 2600:8802:6A00:AE:FCBF:62E3:79F7:5790 (talk) 07:22, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done - No need to restate the name, as per MOS:SURNAME. UmbyUmbreon (talk) 08:22, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

I have looked over so many photos of Ali with his wives and his daughters, and he was sure looked so secular when it came to hijabs

Here is one source showing photos of him with his daughters.. Here's also a source showing photos of him with his wives..MyGosh789 (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

We don't include original research in Wikipedia articles. This is an important policy on this site. Further, what clothing people wear or don't wear is generally considered frivolous material for an encyclopedia. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:25, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

There is a strict policy of hijabs for women in Islam. However, I also agree that this enlightening fact about Ali's wives and daughters should be in word evidence and just picture evidence, and would like to find something like a scholar or journalist noting it.MyGosh789 (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

On your first sentence, I reply "Really, Columbo?" but also it's commonly known that not all Muslim women follow this policy. Overall, you would need strong, reliable secondary coverage of what policy Ali had regarding what his wives wear (because the article is about him, not his wives) to even think of adding it to the article. Brief mentions here and there won't cut it. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Even though not all Muslim women follow it, the religion is indeed strict about it. However, I do agree that it would be neccessary to not just include picture evidence.MyGosh789 (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

For our purposes here, who cares if the religion is strict about it? (and why do you keep repeating that like I was just born?) This is not a discussion board. We are only here to discuss how to cover the subject (Ali, not his wives) in the article. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

This is a biography of Ali, not his wives and daughters. What they did or didn't wear is off-topic, and quite possibly a violation of WP:BLP policy as an invasion of privacy of non-notable individuals. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:33, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

It is enlightening, when considering Islam's public hijab policy for women. Ali was after all of the Muslim faith. However, I agree that it should also be in words and not just pictures.MyGosh789 (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea who you think you are agreeing with. This isn't a biography of Ali's wives or his daughters, and any discussion of what they wore, even with a source, is off-topic for this article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

@MyGosh789, it would seem a little odd to include this per AndyTheGrump and Stefen 𝕋owers. I would also add that at that period in time, as now, the hijab is a personal choice and I wouldn't think twice about a Muslim woman NOT wearing the hijab. Knitsey (talk) 17:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

No, it is not just a "personal choice." A decision for a Muslim woman to not wear a hijab would in fact be a secular personal choice. The religion is strict about hijabs. However, I agree that it should be included with words from reliable sources and not just pictures.MyGosh789 (talk) 17:49, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Again, this article is about Ali, not his wives. You could only theoretically include well sourced content on if Ali had some kind of marital policy on what his wives wore or didn't wear. You cannot change the subject and dive into coverage of these separate individuals just because you find text describing what they wore. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:54, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm not going to engage in arguments about whether Muslim women in the west are required to wear the hijab as there are many differing opinions on this. It is not unusual for Muslim women in the west to not to wear a hijab. It doesn't belong in the article because as above by other editors. We shouldn't be commenting on any women's wearing on not wearing of a hijab unless it's something they have been very vocal about. We wouldn't add this to to (for example) Kosar Ali or Shazia Mirza so why on earth would you think it is appropriate for an article about Muhammad Ali. Knitsey (talk) 17:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Photos

I look for photos of Ali that did not comply with US copyright formalities, here are some of the best I found. I posted more about many public domain photos of boxing through the 80s here

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 $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   20:28, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Personally a fan of the colored one from 1962. Every other one (other than 1976 when he was a shell of what he used to be) is in black and white, making this one a lot better, so I think we should change it to that. Wcamp9 (talk) 18:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure how this went from having an opinion to changing it without getting anyone else's input. I prefer the one the article has been using for the longest time because it shows Ali at both his boxing prime and activist prime. A color image in and of itself isn't superior. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

The current image quality is just not that great, someone pointed out before it even looks like a mugshot. Sure, he was in his prime in 1967, but does the photo really show that? It doesn't show his body at all and I don't see how it helps understand his activism in 1967  $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   22:17, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I think the image quality is actually ideal for a black-and-white snapshot. It demonstrates his personality well without hearing him speak. Knowing the image was from his prime is the point and what I think we should be representing. The last replacement image was from his very early career, pre-activism. If a "better" image can be found from around the same time as the current, longstanding one, I could favorably consider that. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I really don't see how it demonstrates his personality, there is no context, we don't even know when in 1967 the photo was taken or what was happening, for example I think this photo of Malcolm X helps understand immediately that he was an activist.

I would also argue it doesn't show the side of Ali you see when he smiled. The last image here is one of my favorites, it was taken in March 1967, but unfortunately I could not find a high quality scan of it

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 $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   19:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I think the image in the middle is good but we can't use an artifically colorized version. Still leaning toward the 1962 colored one Wcamp9 (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

As lead images, both are unacceptable. As I stated below, a 1962 pre-Ali, pre-Muslim, pre-Liston, pre-draft-issue image is unacceptable for this subject, and re: both images, we must avoid decorating the article. Ali when he was Cassius Clay in a modeling pose doesn't convey the subject well, and Ali was rarely photographed with a cowboy hat. I'm open-minded to a change, but better image candidates need to be found. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Also, if I had to pick one of the above images to switch to, I would pick the 1973 image. But I would most prefer a late 60s color image that seriously conveys the subject if one could be found. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:16, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Just FYI, that colored image from 1962 is already the infobox image for Boxing career of Muhammad Ali GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 00:53, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

True, but it's problematic for this article, as it is an image from before he changed his name and his religion, before his fame-making Liston fight, and well before his activism (a large part of who he was). It's arguably even problematic for the boxing career article since it's pre-Liston. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:21, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Honestly, I think its a lot better for both the infobox image and the timing really does not matter for an image of Ali's caliber. The photo in 1967 would make sense in his prime if it wasn't just a regular photo of him, while the image from 1962 shows what he really does -- boxing. It describes him a lot more in one image. Wcamp9 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Encyclopedically, would we use an image of FDR or Lincoln a couple years out of high school (Ali graduated Central in 1960) as the lead image if it was perceived as the best one? Also, Ali is widely known for both boxing and activism - he really did both of these things. Last, images in an encyclopedia are not for decoration - they are for assisting the conveying of information. I insist we use or find an image that finds him at his height of both boxing and activism. I am not married to the current one, but it is longstanding, widely recognized, and works well. I am open-minded to a suitable replacement. A 1962 pre-Ali, pre-Muslim, pre-Liston, pre-draft-issue image is unacceptable for this subject. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

The lead photo should be from his prime, after he changed his name (1964-1975).--Jahalive (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

@999real got any more i know you find some of tyson Wcamp9 (talk) 21:06, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

To-do list

I reviewed the list (above or at Talk:Muhammad Ali/to do) and some of the issues seem to be resolved:

• The white devil stuff has changed significantly from the quotes in the list and most has been moved to Religious views of Muhammad Ali. I think we can consider this done.
• Columbia Gym still could be added.
• I read the Economist article that says "He absorbed 200,000 hits across his career." It's a review of the biography "Ali: A Life" by Jonathan Eig. I would guess the source is that biography, but it doesn't explicitly say that. The argument against it in the to-do list doesn't consider blows in sparing or his amateur career but it does seem to be an extraordinary number. To keep it, I think we should find a stronger source than this book review.
• The article no longer mentions four brothers. It does mention a sister, Eva, but I think that is referring to Ali's father's sister, Eva Clay Waddel. I think we can consider this done, although clarifying who Eva was a sister of would be an improvement.
• I'm not going to comment on that poem.
• I don't think the article needs anything about Ali as an ambassador for Louisville to be added, but if anyone wants to write something about that I'd encourage it. Can we remove this item from the list?

Jahalive (talk) 02:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Not to fully respond, but the idea for the to-do list is to not remove something until it is done or at least considered by a discussion here. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

That's why I'm discussing it here. I would like to remove the first item and make the changes I suggested for the third and fourth so they can be removed. If anyone has an opinion on the last item, this is the place to share it.--Jahalive (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

If you see that an item is done, you can either strike through it or remove it, and the best practice is to say why in your edit summary. As for the last item, I added that, and I would object to removing it as it has not been done. There's no problem caused by having undone to-do items shown on a talk page. Stefen 𝕋ower_{'s got the power!!1!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 20:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I picked up the Eig biography and that is the source of the 200,000 number. It's an estimate based on Compubox stats of Ali absorbing an average of 14.8 punches per round and then multiplying that by 12,000 rounds of sparing plus his rounds as a pro and amateur.--Jahalive (talk) 23:23, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Ali meeting with Brezhnev in 1978

This event was noteworthy, I would suggest. ~2026-22589 (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: It's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2025

Change photo of Ali to the most famous one of him standing over a knocked down Sonny Liston, ensuring maximum reach of the page. 39.60.249.21 (talk) 13:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Which version?

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 $999$REAL 💬 ⬆   13:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: It's not clear what "photo of Ali" you want to change. If you mean the photo in the infobox, a portrait like the current one is superior to an action shot. The photo of Ali standing over Liston is already in the article. Day Creature (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Muhammad Ali

Muhammad Ali (born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.; January 17, 1942 – June 3, 2016) was an American professional boxer and activist widely regarded as one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time and a significant cultural icon. Nicknamed "The Greatest" and "The People's Champion", he was the first fighter to win the world heavyweight championship on three separate occasions, accumulating a professional record of 56 wins and five losses. His career was defined by historic bouts such as "The Fight of the Century" against Joe Frazier, "The Rumble in the Jungle" against George Foreman, and "The Thrilla in Manila".

Beyond the ring, Ali was a controversial and prominent figure during the Civil Rights Movement. He converted to the Nation of Islam (later transitioning to Sunni Islam) and changed his name, denouncing his birth name as a "slave name". In 1967, citing his religious beliefs and opposition to the Vietnam War, he famously refused military induction, stating, "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong". He was stripped of his titles and banned from boxing for nearly four years at the peak of his career; his conviction for draft evasion was unanimously overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1971. Ali's outspokenness on race, religion, and politics made him a symbol of conviction and a global humanitarian up until his death in 2016 from septic shock. Supbro2057 (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 17:13, 9 December 2025 (UTC)