Talk:Mohawk Dutch

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The Dutch-based creole spread through trade and political interface, not mixing (as was originally written), so I edited that to reflect both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.25.19 (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Extinction date

Is there a reliable source that states that Mohawk Dutch died out before the end of the 17th century? This edit added "disappeared before the end of the 17th century" to the original "mainly spoken during the 17th century" without a source. A quick search finds a 1996 source that states that Mohawk Dutch survived until the early 20th century. Meters (talk) 22:22, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

There are records of church services in the Mohawk Valley still being given in Dutch (as well as German and English) into the 19th century, long after the Dutch had ceded their territorial claims. I don't know if those references are to Dutch or Mohawk Dutch, but clearly some form of Dutch was still in use generations after the end of the 17th century. Meters (talk) 22:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

And there is this recording from the DARE project — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:103:3320:2106:C4F:D24E:CE69 (talk) 06:08, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

First mention of Mohawk Dutch can be traced to 1936 by Lawrence Gwyn Van Loon, a forger who had a lifelong obsession with Dutch History in the state of New York. Tomaatje12 (talk) 20:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

no. there isnt. there is people who claim extinction preemptively or with a political goal over and over, or people repeating the academic position on it. and then like 4 times someone checked and wrote it down, one of which the academics labeled a forger based on one document that was translated by an ameuter historian ~2026-30554-30 (talk) 10:13, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

Van Loon was a forger

Lawrence Gwyn Van Loon who published a 1938 introduction on the Mohawk Dutch language is a forger. Van Loon claimed to be "the last speaker of old dutch". This creole language might not be real. Tomaatje12 (talk) 17:55, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

the forger label is entirely from one group of people based on over reaching assertions, bad methodology and without once actually just talking to him directly about the matter. as well as to accept that claim that it didnt exist at all. requires ignoring all descendents who have oral history on the matter. and mohawk dutch is a term that predates him by decades. and there are sources talking about the mixing of people and the languages back in the 1730s ~2026-30554-30 (talk) 10:15, 22 May 2026 (UTC)