Talk:Miss Moneypenny

other new facts of Moneypenny.

Could someone post these facts here.

-In Skyfall, for the 1rst time a black Moneypenny. -Also some kind of sexual/romantic relationship between her and 007. -Could be regarded as a fully Bond-girl in Skyfall.

Could you provide a reliable citation to support the fact that they have a relationship and that she is now considered a Bond girl? - SchroCat (talk) 10:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

It's right there in the film! Several minutes of fireworks, Bond sailing through a tunnel, etc. There's no ambiguity about it, the new Moneypenny, unlike the old one, is a Bond girl. -- 07:41, 28 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.131.245.216 (talk)

That counts as interpretation and original research. A reliable source has to say what you're saying so that we can cite them. DonQuixote (talk) 12:44, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Moneypenny is a daughter?

Eve Moneypenny in Skyfall was an agent before becoming the new M's personal assistant. Quite clearly she is a different person, and a younger one, than the Moneypenny in the early books/films. I suspect she may be a daughter, adopted or by birth to the first Miss Moneypenny. Hambleton (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmmmm... That's about as good a definition of WP:OR as I've ever come across. Apart from the fact that Casino Royale was a reboot, which allowed them to do lots of things, there was a different Bond in Daniel Craig... is he a younger brother of Brosnan? Was Connery his Dad and Dalton his uncle? Find a WP:RELIABLESOURCE to go with the outlandish theory. - SchroCat (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I will write an article for a newspaper on this clearly reasonable theory and then we can cite that as a WP:RELIABLESOURCE Hambleton (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

See WP:NOTRELIABLE: it would be classed as a self-published source. Generally it's a fringe theory and would therefore fail WP:PSCI. - SchroCat (talk) 03:54, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

This is more than a forgivable glitch in the storyline, brought on by younger actors replacing older ones. The problem is that in the Skyfall plot itself, Bond is ageing: his over-the-hill status is an issue, his previous adventures are history, and his DB-8 has been garaged for some time. Given the storyline, he cannot possibly be meeting "Jane" Moneypenny for the first time, so Eve is necessarily a different person. Within the fictional Bond universe, this is a "fact" that Wikipedia can take notice of. The writers will have to come up with an explanation for the fantastic coincidence in names, and a daughter or niece would seem to be the obvious choices. (A daughter, NOT adopted, would be the most interesting twist they could give to the series.) Until the writers make their choice known, however, her identity is speculative, and not Wikipedia material. 98.14.227.73 (talk) 13:09, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, and I'm looking for a sufficient source to back this up, but wasn't the 2006 film version of Casino Royale explicitly designed as a reboot? I thought that the whole idea was to shed Bond of 45 years of cumbersome filmed backstory and start all anew--Bond is a newly-appointed 00 agent, et cetera. In that case, discussion of the new Moneypenny's relationship to the old is pointless; she's a reinvention of an established character, and the text of the article should reflect that, no? 69.204.5.12 (talk) 05:13, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Lois Maxwell / Miss Moneypenny promotion to M

Just querying what Roger Moore meant when he said that he'd like to see Maxwell play M. When I read the line "I think it was a great disappointment to her that she had not been promoted to play M" that to me meant that Maxwell wanted to be given the role of M in a subsequent film. This does not in itself imply that the character of Moneypenny would be promoted to M, it could simply be that Maxwell would be recast in a different role. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:42, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

I've put it back to your last version, which I think is correct. There isn't much clarity in what Moore said, but I think it would have been difficult for such a long-term actor in the series to have been re-cast from Moneypenny to someone else (although just as difficult for M's PA to take the top job too!). - SchroCat (talk) 10:46, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. As you say, we don't really know what Moore meant, but this seems to be the safer interpretation of his actual words, taking them at face value. As you say, it was probably a pipe dream for her to take the role in either case... even the idea of a female M was probably pretty radical until Judi Dench came and made the role hers!  — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Rank

she holds the rank of second officer in the Women's Royal Naval Service. "Second officer" is a function aboard a vessel, if I'm not mistaken, not a rank. She seems to hold the rank of lieutenant according to the picture.

Actually Second Officer was an actual rank of the Women's Royal Naval Service, until the latter's dissolution in 1993. As the picture clearly shows her blue insignia (as opposed to the gold of a - male - lieutenant), she is/was a WREN with the rank of Second Officer. A more recent film may present her in uniform, giving us a clearer idea of her post-1993 rank. 217.167.255.177 (talk) 10:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your original research. However, an encyclopaedia such as Wikipedia works by citing and summarising reliable sources such that any information can be verified by the general reader without specialist knowledge. Also, this article is about the character in general, of which the film version is one version. Thanks. DonQuixote (talk) 12:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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