Talk:Miranda Bergman

Notability

Bergman meets the artist notability guideline because of her major role in the Women's building mural, a well-known San Francisco landmark (covered in newspapers and by PBS). Stephen (talk) 02:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi there. My concern is that there is little to no significant coverage about Bergman herself. There are mentions of her in some books (very brief, often just short paragraphs or one mention of her name), and little to no press coverage about her as an artist. What do you think of merging a section about her into the woman's building mural article? I hate doing this, given the fact that I founded WikiProject Women artist's and love seeing more coverage about women artists in Wikipedia, but, I spend some good time reading sources and was not impressed with what I found. I'm also pinging User:Sionk, who has spent a considerable amount of time with me working on notability concerns for hundreds of women artists on Wikipedia. Sionk might have some thoughts on if Bergman should have her own article. Missvain (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

cc @User:Boleyn (just so you know that we're talkin' about this :) Missvain (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I found some better coverage in this book! Stephen (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:Slaporte can you tell me what page(s)? I snooped around again online this morning, including journal access databases, and struggled to find anything independent of the Women's Building that merits her having her own article. Missvain (talk) 15:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

@Missvain: she is first mentioned on page 131 as a member of a group of muralists, and then her works are mentioned a few times in the chapter. She is also discussed on page 262, 415-416, and a few other small places. The book is mostly about her work with the Haight-Ashbury muralists in the 1970s, so there is good material beyond her most widely-known work on the Women's building mural. I have added the book to this article, and I plan to use it to fill out the article and do more research. Stephen (talk) 16:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

• I agree with Missvain, worth a mention on The Women's Building article (a brief one) but no evidenc of her being notable independent of that project. Boleyn (talk) 07:32, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
• Bergman has been part of several collaborative efforts (as indicated in the article) to create large-scale public works or government commissions (CETA), and I think it makes sense for her to have her own page indicating her involvement. I feel like some of this information would be lost if she were to only be listed on the Women's Building page. I agree that right now there is not enough significant coverage and will keep looking for sources. I found a few leads that will require follow up: "Teaching Resources." Feminist TeacherVol. 2, No. 2 (1986), pp. 43-45 mentions that Bergman's collage on events in South Africa was included in a catalog published by the Syracuse Cultural Workers in 1986. It appears that this article addresses posters Bergman created between 1972-1976: Goldman, Shifra M. "A Public Voice: Fifteen Years of Chicano Posters." Art Journal, Vol. 44, No. 1, The Poster (Spring, 1984), pp. 50-57. Based on a cursory search (https://www.google.com/search?q=miranda+bergman+and+grateful+dead&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8),it also appears that she created numerous posters for the Grateful Dead--Arthistorygrrl (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The sources mentioned by Stephen and Arthistorygrrl would seem to raise this above the bar of WP:BASIC and if we consider MaestraPeace as a significant monument she additionally meets WP:ARTIST#4. Regardless, I'm guessing this would survive AfD, so removing the notability tag. gobonobo ^{+ c} 03:35, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

This is Leibel Bergman's daughter, right?

Per this self-published piece by her brother Lincoln, which I'm not sure if we can use as a source. Prezbo (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2025 (UTC)