Talk:Mir Chakar Rind

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@Sutyarashi

This article requires a general overhaul. According to Wikipedia's verifiability policy (WP:VERIFY), unsourced material may be removed. If you agree, I propose removing the content that lacks reliable citations.

When Mir Chakar left Dhadar, his next stop was Sanghar Desert, in Taunsa, Dera Ghazi Khan. He ruled the Sanghar area for many years until Mir Doda Khan arrived with his army. Although Mir Chakar had defeated Mir Doda once previously, Mir Doda's army defeated Mir Chakar in the desert of Sanghar. Mir Chakar and his army left Sanghar and moved to the Multan area where he shook hands with the Multan king. On the other side, Shehmureed had gone to Arabia. After Shehmureed, one of his best fighters was Mir Malagh Khan Rind.

The Multan king invited Mir Doda to dinner. When Mir Doda came, the Multan king said that from then on he would be his left hand. Mir Chakar became angry and planned to attack Mir Doda. In the battle, Mir Doda was badly defeated and his people and army moved to Sindh and never came back.

According to WP:BURDEN, the responsibility for providing a reliable source lies with the editor who added or wishes to retain the material. Unless reliable citations are provided, I propose removing this content as it stands.

You have placed the following maintenance tags on this content: [disputed – discuss] and [additional citation(s) needed]:

In 1487, Mir Chakar introduced significant political reforms, most notably shifting the capital of the Baloch confederacy from Kech to Sibi. After consolidating political authority and military power in eastern Balochistan, he turned his attention to the fertile plains of Punjab. In the early sixteenth century he advanced into Punjab and captured Multan.

I have since found high-quality sources to support these claims:

• On page 111: "Mir Chakar was installed as the Sardār-i Āzam (Great Chief) of the Baloch around 1484 or 1487. He established the first 'Kingdom of Balochistan' with Sibi as its capital. Under his leadership, the Baloch confederacy expanded from western Kerman to western Sindh and from southern Khorasan to Bandar Abbas."

• Encyclopædia Iranica states: "In the 9th/15th century another wave carried the Balōč into southern Punjab. This was the period of Mīr Čākar (Čākor) Rind, the greatest of Baluchistan heroes. Some groups from the Rind tribe migrated from Sibi to Punjab."

• On page 3: "In the late 15th century, Mir Chakar Khan Rind emerged as a prominent leader of the Baloch confederacy. In 1487, he moved the confederacy's capital from Kech to Sibi. After consolidating power in eastern Balochistan, he turned his attention to Punjab and captured Multan in the early 16th century. Although his rule was short-lived, this period marked the beginning of modern Baloch history and saw the expansion of Balochi language and culture."

Your edit summary was "Dating maintenance tags: ." I am happy to rephrase the statements or replace them with alternative high‑quality sources so we can keep the article neutral and well‑sourced. Balash-Vologases (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Everything which cannot be verified needs to be removed. The disputed tag was for this specific phrase, ...and captured Multan. Around this period Multan was under Langah and later Mughal rule. The current source is not RS as the author (Malik) is no historian, and other RS like Spooner make no reference to Multan. Sutyarashi (talk) 11:38, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I have performed a general overhaul of the article. Unsourced material has been removed, and new content with reliable citations has been added in its place.

In 1486, Mir Shaihak Rind transferred the confederacy's capital from Kech, Makkoran to Sivi (Sibi), eastern Balochistan. Having consolidated their power in eastern Balochistan, the Baloch tribes headed by Mir Shaihak's son Mir Chakar Rind also advanced into Punjab, taking Multan and southern parts of Punjab in the early 16th century.

While the publisher (BoD) is a print‑on‑demand service, Wikipedia guidelines allow the use of PhD theses from accredited universities as reliable sources (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP). The author's academic credentials and the prior peer review of the work make it acceptable for factual historical claims.

If you have any concerns about this source or the added content, please let me know. I am open to discussing improvements or replacing the source with alternative academic references if available.

The remaining newly added sources are of similar quality and reliability. However, sections of the article that were previously marked with the [page needed] maintenance tag have not been modified in this edit. I have left them as they were so that the exact page numbers can be identified and proper citations can be added in a future revision. Balash-Vologases (talk) 19:00, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

BoD is still self published and hence unreliable for contentious claims. As far as standard references go, Multan was under Langah rule until 1528, followed by Mughals. You need exceptional sources for this. Sutyarashi (talk) 01:46, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@Sutyarashi To add to your text Chakar Rind was also not allowed to remain in Multan and was instead granted land in Shorkot by Jam Bayazid, who was the de jure ruler of Shorkot at the time. During this period, Upper Sindh and even the Sibi region were under the control of the Sammas of Sindh, as evidenced by references to the Battle of Jalwakhir. Nachtrammer (talk) 10:25, 17 June 2026 (UTC)