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Latest comment: 1 year ago by SirBrahms in topic Section Removal

Greetings

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I am McGuire at Snyderlab (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Snyderlab). Following Blablubbs' instructions, I have requested a change in my username 'Snyderlab' to be 'McGuire at Snyderlab'. I work for Stanford University, School of Medicine and I'm the registered editor for the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Snyder, on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Members page. I do not have any conflicts of interest, I do however know Michal P Snyder, so I am requesting the following edits as I am a connected contributor, please read notice here:

. I am responsible for keeping the page factual and up-to-date. Please inform Blablubbs and/or myself if you have any questions, thank you.

Reason for requested edits: Without my edits, the Michael P Snyder page is not factual, as research and companies have been merged, formed and co-founded, and important new discoveries related to the COVID-19 virus are not viewable and transparent on this page. The significant advances in healthcare now absent from this page have been communicated to me recently by Nobel Prize Winners, concerned about the global impacts if this page is not kept up-to-date. I request that anyone assisting me in making these updates, do so following the regulations of Wikipedia. Regards, McGuire at Snyderlab | I am a connected contributor, | McGuire at Stanford Snyderlab (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Regarding Requested Edits: McGuire at Stanford Snyderlab (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC) My edits are very small and consist of changing a few words by ensuring that they are referenced properly to show the source of research and healthcare organizations and companies. my only edits exist in the 'Entrepreneurship' section. However, after I made my edits, most of Michael P. Snyder's page was deleted thus now shows inaccurate information. Pasted below is the page as it was over the past year, including my small edits in the Entrepreneurship section:Reply


Here is the version of the page I would like to request:

McGuire at Snyderlab | I am a connected contributor. | McGuire at Stanford Snyderlab (talk) 05:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Given now draftified...

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...the declared paid editor McGuire instructed to edit the draft directly. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thank you to the group of editors who are editing Michael P. Snyder's page today.

I'm making my suggested edits to the Michael P. Snyder page here before attempting to make any edits as I am a connected contributor. I will be adding additional requests over the next week for your review & valued critique.

Enormous thanks to the Wikipedia authors/editors of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_S._Langer Robert S. Langer's page as they have helped me tremendously in accurately formatting this similarily notable scientist. We have added considerable verified sources similar to Robert S. Langer's page, and they are helping me to continue improving on the quality of this page.

Please add any additional or better sources/references/improvements to this page!

We are not done as we are attempting to get the entire list of companies Michael P. Snyder has founded (which is extremely long it appears) and have it look like Robert S. Langer's list of companies. That is our next step.

Regards,

McGuire at Stanford Snyderlab Dec 16, 2021.

With that said, I am hopeful that editors who read this can add additional

1. I'm looking at the other Geneticists (from Category:American geneticists) (BTW: not many are still alive) in the group which Michael P. Snyder is a part of, and their similar references to peer-reviewed journals were kept visible, whereas Michael P. Snyder's long list of references were recently deleted - should we put them back? Also, I'm seeing that all the companies they founded and books they wrote are listed on their page, should we put these back on Michael P. Snyder's page or hide the facts that Michel P. Snyder owns these companies from public view? Listed below in 2. are "people not affiliated with Snyder or Stanford who have written about his role in starting these companies" as requested by David notMD. I am looking for additional sources, though these companies are legally documented by the United States Government as well and I don't see this reference required on other Category:American geneticists pages who have founded companies.

2. Below are several organizations and "people not affiliated with Snyder or Stanford who have written about his role in starting these companies" - which are not peer-reviewed journals and may help the current group who are rewriting the Michael P. Snyder article, as omitting the truth about the companies he has founded (basically omitting his entrepreneurship) is omitting the facts, and we are all here to help Wikipedia reveal facts, not hide them: https://www.crunchbase.com/person/michael-snyder-2 https://www.r42group.com/michaelsnyder https://education.23andme.com/webinars/big-data-and-human-health/ https://www.geekwire.com/2017/wearable-sensors-knew-researcher-getting-sick/ https://www.olink.com/sf-oct-2017/ https://www.prweb.com/releases/labroots_highlights_harvard_university_geneticist_dr_george_m_church_and_stanford_university_genomicist_dr_michael_snyder_in_genetics_genomics_2019_virtual_event/prweb16235398.htm

Thank you, McGuire at Stanford Snyderlab (talk) 14:20, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Those sources don't seem to be reliable. We certainly can't use passing mentions, profiles and press releases. Theroadislong (talk) 14:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Although I pointed you to articles about Stanford academics as examples, flaws in those articles do not justify the same shortfalls in the draft for Snyder. My main intent was to show you examples that had references about the people who are subjects of the articles rather than deeply detailed descriptions of their research. David notMD (talk) 02:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

coi (you requested my comments)

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To put it directly, as a member of his group, you should not have written this article. Almost nobody has been successful in doing this. The main fault with the article at present is the use of buzzwords, and repetition. We do not copy all the positions into the infobox, only the highlight. We do not make the presumption that the growth of the department is due primarily to him as chair. We do not try to refer to as many as his articles as possible. We downplay his commercial activities unless there is evidence that they are sufficient to be notable in their own right. They might be--it will be necessary to check if they have notetworthy marketed product. We do not consider a scientist who started a few companies to exploit his work to be an entrepreneur (for one thing we would need evidence it's not just his ideas, but that he developed the company-that's what entrepreneur means).

An encyclopedia does not make a claim for " first" without at least one and better two extremely reliable third person sources--certainly not brief CVs he has written himself for conferences, or his own papers. . All scientists receive grants or they could not do their work: they are not awards in the usual sense and there is no need to mention them. All scientists join professional organizations--we include them if they are president, not just member of the board. We do not use popular news sources to describe his work. to them in the text. This is one of the very few attempts at a scientist bio I have seen in WP that has the promotional excess of trying to include two extensive lists of major articles.

We usually do not give h factor within the article---see our article on it to understand why it's considered ambiguous and unreliable. We do include a list of his 5 most cited articles, and only those.(And his importance is shown better by the actual very high values for his most cited articles) An encyclopedia article is not a CV. We don't try to get as many as possible in by including references

In his case, there is no shortage of major awards. We highlight them at the beginning of the article, so people know right away he's significant. For some reason you left out the most important, one that everybody will immediately recognize:: Member of the United States-National Academy of Science-tho it is in the infobox.

What I give is my opinion, there are no formal rules for article content, just a consensus about what is not admissable, The excellent reviers who have already examined the article would probably word it differently, but the general patter nI give is consistent. Erratic departures from it indicate coi, often from the person themselves.

You would do well to explain furthe the exact nature of your conflictof interest, but unless it is a paid COI, details are no trequired. If it is a paid COI, they are required. Please respnd here and let me know on my talk page. DGG ( talk ) 05:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

  • You have said you work for the Stanford School of Medicine, but have no conflict of interest. If your job involves writing publicity for the school or the faculty of the school, according to our rules at WP:PAID, you do have a direct financial conflict of interest, and must specify it. DGG ( talk ) 22:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

Section Removal

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The Section "Selected Publications" does not seem to impart any real/relevant information to the article, should it be removed? SirBrahms (talk) 06:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

It reads to me as advertising; I've removed it. Given the COI issues earlier in the talk page, the page may need to be substantially rewritten. Kauri-kauri (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
The Awards and Honors section looks like it's copied from the subject of the article's CV; I'm removing these as well, but they could be returned if there is context surrounding why each award is relevant to the article. Kauri-kauri (talk) 02:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! - SirBrahms (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)Reply