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Latest comment: 12 years ago by CaroleHenson in topic Compare to Mexican muralism

Mexican muralism

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See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts#Mexican muralism + Mexican Renaissance for a discussion about the similarity between the two articles.--CaroleHenson (talk) 15:41, 17 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Compare to Mexican muralism

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The following is a copy of the text from the Mexican Renaissance article. Information that is in the Mexican muralism article (i.e., overlap) will be bolded.

Potential additions to the Mexican muralism article

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I took a stab at identifying potential additions to the muralism article. The main things I found are:

  • Frida Kahlo
  • potentially more background history - independence from Spain, American capitalism, 1880 beginnings of Mexican nationalism.
  • the movement opened up art for working class
  • additional examples of Mexican muralism influence, like Frida
  • Johnbod also mentioned Rufino Tamayo.

FWIW, I think that it would be nice to add more about out Mexican muralism brought art to the working class - and potentially mention Frida and Rufino in the Influence section, if not in the mural movement section.

There's a lot of information about José Vasconcelos. About his being "father of the Mexican Renaissance", I was looking around to see who all might have said that, and found it here, but its context is broader than Mexican muralism. Another attributes it to William Spratling. I'm not sure how to handle that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

But, I've started a sandbox page as a start: User:CaroleHenson/sandbox/Mexican Renaissance.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

When Mexicans speak of the muralism movement, they do not mean mural work done anytime before the Mexican Revolution. For this reason, a section on precedents already exists in Mexican muralism. As for stating that it brought art to the masses, that was certainly the intent of many/most, but it is really debatable whether or not that was ever achieved, so we should be careful with NPOV. Frida was not considered part of the movement at the time and Mexican sources do not categorize her as a muralist. In fact she only came to any real prominence after her death, when the Generación de la Ruptura broke the mold of what "Mexican art" should be, allowing her more surrealist work to be appreciated. Tamayo has been called the "Fourth Great Muralist" but he too was not terribly accepted by Rivera, Siqueiros, Orozco or their followers as he opposed the politics and moved into more abstract expression. He is a predecesor to the Ruptura. Mexican sources do not generally group Tamayo as part of the movement per se... more of a marginalized figure, with real recognition coming late in his career. If Tamayo is mentioned in this article, this should be clear. If we want to add artists... better to look at the second wave of muralists such as Juan O'Gorman and Pablo O'Higgins, and those who have worked to keep the movement alive such as Guillermo Ceniceros and Arnold Belkin. If the term "Mexican Renaissance" includes things like the overhaul of the education system, literature and more, then it should be a separate article. Just what I read in the Wikipedia article seems to indicate it is synonymous with the mural work, but that may be because that is the best known aspect of it.Thelmadatter (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ok, wow, things got pretty easy! So, it sounds like no change to the Mexican muralism article.
Regarding "Mexican Renaissance" definition - I misunderstood something I had read. In the midst of a discussion about education reforms it was mentioned that José Vasconcelos was the "father of the Mexican Renaissance", but when I read it again to put it in the article I realized it wasn't mentioned in the context of education. To be sure, I did some more searching and just found it in relation to the muralism movement. If I do find a broader definition, I'll make it clear in the article.
Great, great feedback and I learned a thing or two.--CaroleHenson (talk) 01:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)Reply