Talk:Max Shachtman

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Citation for Sedova's support of Shachtman's positions

As of the time of this comment, the link for the "Before Braverman: Harry Frankel and the American workers' movement" article (currently note 18) leads to the site's search page: http://findarticles.com/?noadc=1. Checking Monthly Review's own site, they link to that 1999 article via DOI: https://doi.org/10.14452/MR-050-08-1999-01_5, which redirects to https://monthlyreviewarchives.org/index.php/mr/article/view/MR-050-08-1999-01_5 where one can buy the PDF for $3 (USD). Archive.org appears to have 4 out of 5 pages of the article, but I couldn't find the Sedova reference, which makes me think it's on the missing third page, especially since I was able to find the quote in question at an I found an alternate link: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Before+Braverman%3a+Harry+Frankel+and+the+American+workers%27+movement.-a053972890

Possible options I see:

1. Leave the citation as-is, relying on the access date and pull quote
2. Change the URL to link to the MR article itself, either directly or via doi.org
3. Use the Free Library URL
4. Supplement the reference with Natalia Sedova's Resignation from the Fourth International, cited in her own Wikipedia article
5. some combination of the above

The first is the default if no change is made, but I think it's the least helpful option. I'm currently leaning towards #2, given that it points to the article's actual origin, but I'm also weighing whether having the full text is more important. I'm undecided about #4 since, while it shows a break from the orthodox Trotskyist position, it doesn't specifically indicate support for Shachtman's particular type of heterodoxy (as opposed to, say, Tony Cliff's analysis of state capitalism).

--Dhraakellian (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Support the November proposal to merge Yetta Barsh Shachtman (3rd wife) to here; no independent notability; it's a better alternative to deletion. Klbrain (talk) 10:00, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Re: Vietnam

Shachtman favored a negotiated peace settlement rather than a unilateral US withdrawal from the Vietnam War.

This statement appears to greatly downplay the known facts. Historian Maurice Isserman notes that the evidence suggests that Shachtman, surprisingly as it sounds, supported the Vietnam War, and his position on negotiations was a feint. As it turns out Shachtman and others were the biggest opponents of the antiwar movement. See The Other American: The Untold Life of Michael Harrington (2000). Viriditas (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2026 (UTC)