Talk:Mahfuz

Death

There's some information missing from this section, the Adalite sultan camp conspired with Abyssinians to have Mahfuz eliminated. Editors should find information on this i've read it somewhere. Magherbin (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

Maybe you're confusing it with Muhammad ibn Nasir Replayerr (talk) 14:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

No i'm not the Sultan tensions with Imams began long before Nasir's era. It begins with Salih (imam). Mahfuz's death led to a civil war and the death of the sultan who was blamed for conspiring with the Abyssinians from what I recall. Several noble died as a result of this. How was the sultan able to flee the battle while Mahfuz was trapped? These were probably questions the supporters of Mahfuz asked when he returned to Adal.Magherbin (talk) 15:00, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Ottoman links?

@Magherbin In 1516, the Mamluks of Egypt annexed Yemen; but in the following year, the Mamluk governor surrendered to the Ottomans, and Turkish armies subsequently overran the country. They were challenged by the Zaidi Imam, Qasim the Great (r. 1597–1620), and by 1636, the Zaydi tribesmen had driven the Ottomans out of the country completely.

The Ottomans were in-fact in Yemen and had established the Yemen Eyalet in 1517. Replayerr (talk) 14:10, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

British sources are often regarded as unreliable regarding this issue, as they were not present in the region during the relevant time frame. Referring to the James Bruce source, which dates back to the 18th century, Mahfuz commenced his notable military career under the previous emperors Naod and Eskender. It is claimed that he received green silk when Dawit was still a minor (at age 14), which would date this event to 1510, seven years prior to the Turks' arrival in Arabia. The Battle of Fatagar took place when Dawit had reached at least 16 years of age, thus no longer being a minor, and the sultan had started to accompany Mahfuz in raids as well. Richard Francis Burton elaborates further in the 19th century, asserting that the conquest was primarily driven by the Ottomans, who had taken control of Zeila. According to Burton, this was the moment when the sharif entrusted him with the key to the upper country. I am skeptical that the Ottomans maintained control over Zeila until much later in the centuries following Mahfuz's death, and I also question his connections with the Ottomans. A more reliable source which examines sultanates, as noted on page 33 , references ties to Arabia, indicating that Mahfuz was awarded a green standard, yet there is no mention of Turks. However, you may revert my edit if you disagree, but please ensure to cite the page accurately; it is found on page 163 in James Bruce's book not on p.169 as currently cited. Magherbin (talk) 17:15, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

References

Contradicting statements

James Bruce from the 18th century claims Mahfuz carried off women and children in his raids however Francisco Alvares who actually lived in the time period states civilians werent taken just military personnel. Bruce's claim should be removed, his inclusion of Ottoman involvement so early also gives hints hes making things up. Magherbin (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

You can remove the statement if needed @Magherbin Replayerr (talk) 00:37, 9 September 2025 (UTC)