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A fact from MacBook Neo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 2 April2026(check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the MacBook Neo uses a processor found in iPhones?
The draft you created wasn't even the draft of this article when this article was created. The draft you created was moved from Draft:12.9-inch MacBook to Draft:MacBook Neo after this article was created, and since nothing was directly copied from the draft to the article, nothing needs to be merged. vistadan19:20, 4 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
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I took some images at a Best Buy near me of this new computer, feel free to use them if you think they would be an improvement. =) —Locke Cole • t • c • b04:34, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Looks good! I might put a comparison of the Touch ID sensors, and also maybe upload them to Commons as well so other Wikipedias can use them as well. EvanTech10 (talk) 14:05, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
upload them to Commons as well so other Wikipedias can use them Absolutely, feel free to use File Importer to export them to Commons if you have the time (there should be a button/tab across the top labeled "Export to Wikimedia Commons" that automates this on each file page).
They appear to be ignoring this discussion, given their continuing contributions to other pages despite being pinged twice. —Locke Cole • t • c • b19:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
And if you're that anxious to have your images represented, not waiting even 24 hours for a response, by all means put them back in. Seasider53 (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
not waiting even 24 hours for a response Correct, I waited over 24 hours for a response. As to the rest... is it so hard to be civil for you? —Locke Cole • t • c • b00:05, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've just taken a picture of the 512GB Neo (File:MacBook Neo in Citrus.jpg) and was immediately reverted- I'm not sure why we are using a pictures of it explicitly in a retail setting, given that this is not how we usually depict devices in the infobox. There is also a de minimis argument here as the retail images contain several pieces of copyrighted content (the MacOS UI, other promotional content in the background on other devices) that are not necessary to depict the subject, which is the MacBook itself. Paging @Seasider53: and @Locke Cole: for comment. Padgriffin(Squawk)11:49, 4 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure why we are using a pictures of it explicitly in a retail setting I could go either way on this, I do think the retail setting does add value in that we're addressing how the product was marketed at the time without resorting to multiple images to do it. There is also a de minimis argument here ... I mean most of the background is a retail setting where they are basic images (lots of text, logos, a few possibly non-free images but representing less than 10-20% of the total image). As to the UI of macOS, the background is likely too simple to be eligible for copyright given it's simple shapes and gradients. That leaves the dock and the menu interface, with the menu being almost exclusively text, and the dock being a collection of icons of varying complexities.. I also prefer my image because it's shot with a camera that doesn't produce muddy looking pixels to the same degree that a cell phone camera produces, and the depth of field produced by the lens is real, not something produced by software.
we're addressing how the product was marketed at the time without resorting to multiple images to do it. I'm not sure if this is what the infobox is for- at the very least it's not consistent with basically every other article about a device, where the focus is on the subject and not about how it would be in a retail store, and this is not consistent with any other article. MOS:LEADIMAGE also states that Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see. It can be argued that a picture of a Best Buy is not what one would expect to see when looking an article about a laptop, and also doesn't reflect how the devices are marketed in places outside the US.
I took an image of my MacBook with the screen off and modified mine to remove the background if I want to put my image into consideration EvanTech10 (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
It can be argued that a picture of a Best Buy is not what one would expect to see when looking an article about a laptop It's an Apple shop within a Best Buy, and maybe you missed it, but the subject of this article is the object that takes up the majority of the image... ...doesn't reflect how the devices are marketed in places outside the US Cool. You can Venmo me some cash and I can go traveling the world to document it for you. Though I think having 20+ images of different retail settings is a bit much, why not the best image instead? As to the arguments about the censorship of the image, I can't control what people on Commons do, but I stick by my opinion that nothing in the images I've provided would need to be censored. As before, if you'd like to start an RFC, go for it. —Locke Cole • t • c • b21:29, 8 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Hey, I might be a little late here, but I'm here because I'm a little worried that the current photo for the Neo in blush is not very color-accurate. I've seen the Neos in person, and even just comparing it to the digital colors that are right next to it, you can tell it's a completely different hue. It's more grey-purple than pink. I was wondering if we could replace the photo or at least color grade it or something (dunno if that's allowed though). Seermia❯❯❯Talk02:44, 16 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
AFAIK color grading is allowed, as long as you aren't misrepresenting things significantly (I look at many of the featured photos and it's quite clear there's no way the uploaded image came straight out of camera looking the way it did). Some editors prefer gritty realism over perfection though, so YMMV on whether or not anyone will care (or if they do, whether they'll view color grading as an improvement or not).. and I agree, the blush image below the infobox currently doesn't represent what I see in person, but... what do I know? 🤷♂️ —Locke Cole • t • c • b19:00, 17 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
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"The MacBook Neo is the most affordable laptop that Apple has ever introduced, with a starting price of $599."
reads like ad copy. I think it's the word affordable, and introduced. If it is the lowest priced I think that is better phrasing than affordable, if it is NOT then I think a better word than affordable should explain, like lowest price adjusted for inflation, or whatnot. I think we can just drop the "ever" but I am not sure introduced is the right word. Sold maybe?
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
There has been a minor consensus to retain the education pricing, as many sources mention the education pricing (considering that this is a budget laptop). A discussion on comparisons with other MacBooks found that there are way more mentions of the education pricing for the Neo compared to other existing Apple products. With these in mind, it's a good idea to mention the pricing as it's WP:DUEEvanTech10 (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I’ve seen some editors add and remove it from the lead, so a consensus should be made for its’ placement. Also some people are removing it from the body as well so I’m also adding that to the discussion. EvanTech10 (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Oppose — Wikipedia is intended for a general audience, not education-exclusive. I think it would be strange to include a different price considering that education pricing is not intended for non-students and there is no precedent for doing this that I know of on Apple product articles. The education discount is mentioned in some sources so there that supports @Locke Cole's argument that adding this price is WP:DUE.[1][2][3]Qwerty123M (talk) 04:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I disagree. The MacBook Neo is marketed to an educational setting, hence the large amount of reviewers mentioning the education price due to its affordability, which makes it significant in this case to mention it in the article. EvanTech10 (talk) 13:14, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think Qwerty123M is opposing exclusively listing the education price, but seems to be supporting including it in addition to the suggested retail price. —Locke Cole • t • c • b14:55, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
No, I'm opposing the inclusion of this detail outright as Wikipedia is written for a general audience not exclusive to any one group. As per WP:MTAU, " Wikipedia articles should be written for the widest possible general audience." Qwerty123M (talk) 22:02, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
The reality is, this is an actual price—not a limited time deal. This is an indefinite sale for students and teachers who qualify. And this is a major thing, not just a little, unimportant sales gimmick. If it was, we wouldn't have this whole section. The Conservative Journalist (talk) 00:32, 18 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
If you check my comment, i've got four reviews that mention edu pricing for the neo, but not the air. I can provide more if needed, but before the neo, the air was one of if not the most education targeted device in apple's lineup (only possibly second to the ipad). MetalBreaksAndBends (talk) (contribs) 13:34, 18 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yes, but on the MacBook Neo, it is majorly designed for students and teachers, and the pricing is quite relevant. I think it is necessary to put that in; it reflects the type of laptop this is, a budget laptop. Stating that it is priced at $499 will shock everyone. And this is a budget laptop. The Air is not. The Conservative Journalist (talk) 15:41, 18 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm not seeing the relevance of WP:MTAU; that appears to be dealing strictly with making technical articles accessible to a general audience. I don't think your average reader will misunderstand what "education pricing" or "student discount" means. Earlier you acknowledged that the topic was WP:DUE, which is where my confusion came from: if it's WP:DUE and doesn't otherwise violate a WP:PAG (such as WP:NPOV, WP:V or WP:NOR) then I don't see the reason for opposing. —Locke Cole • t • c • b03:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
We cite tech radar for "The name 'MacBook Neo' was given to fit the spirit of a fun and fresh device." Also, we aren't making product recommendations. The reason for including the education discount is because the education price has been widely noted and it supplements the common talking point of the neo being a chromebook replacement. MetalBreaksAndBends (talk) (contribs) 17:22, 17 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
↑Osborne, Joe (14 March 2026). "Apple MacBook Neo". PCMag. Archived from the original on 10 March 2026. Retrieved 17 March 2026. (starts at $599; $499 for education buyers)
↑Rossignol, Joe (10 March 2026). "MacBook Neo Reviews: Is Just 8GB of RAM Enough?". MacRumors. Archived from the original on 12 March 2026. Retrieved 17 March 2026. In the U.S., pricing starts at just $599, or at an even lower $499 for college students and qualifying educational staff.
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"[MacBook Neo] is the first Mac to use an A-series chip found in the iPhone rather than the M-series chips found in other Apple silicon Macs."
Are you really sure that MacBook Neo is the first to use an A-series chip? I know there was an earlier A-series Mac from 2020, the Developer Transition Kit (DTK), which used an A12Z chip like the 4th-generation iPad Pro. I don't know if that DTK is a real Mac product.
I would also mention the iPad due to the fact that some of those use an A-series chip (the low-cost iPad and iPad mini). I would want to change the sentence quoted above so it could instead look like this:
"It is the first Mac since the 2020 Developer Transition Kit (DTK) to use an A-series chip found in the iPhone and iPad rather than the M-series chips found in other Apple silicon Macs."
While the Developer Transition Kit ran MacOS, I don't believe the DTK has ever been considered to be part of the Mac lineup, which would mean the original statement is factually correct. I think the fundamental difference is that the other computers in the Mac lineup are consumer-facing, while the DTK was not and was never sold at retail. If someone else holds a different view than I do, feel free to jump in. I do agree with the mention of iPad though, since there are some current iPad models that still use A-series chips. GSK21:11, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. I will now only mention the iPad. The final revision of the sentence will look like this:
"[MacBook Neo] is the first Mac to use an A-series chip found in the iPhone and iPad rather than the M-series chips found in other Apple silicon Macs." Slackintosh (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Agree with GSK. I do think as a footnote it might be worth mentioning the DTK for pedantic individuals (and just for historical accuracy) but the Neo is definitely the first consumer-available Mac product with an A-series chip. —Locke Cole • t • c • b03:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
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Is it appropriate to have a reception section in this article? I am not a frequent editor so I don't know the rules around this kind of thing. It does seem like a lot of other pages about Apple products have Reception sections. Some ideas that come to mind:
Critical reception
The "shock to the industry" comment from the CEO of Asus
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Article is new enough and long enough. Will need to be updated soon, mind. No close paraphrasing found; the bits about affordability are subject to limited possibilities of phrasing. No image, no QPQ to review. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:48, 7 March 2026 (UTC).webp)
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Someone had a brain fart when they moved the image. Seasider53 (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2026 (UTC)