Talk:MS Monarch

Request for expansion

Would like to see history of the ports and destinations she has served Petervcook (talk) 01:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Ship name

As of June 12, 2012, this ship is still known as MS Monarch of the Seas, and has not yet received a name change. All references to "Monarch of the Seas" should remain on the page until the ship is transferred to Pullmantur in 2013. At that time, and not before, references to the ship's name should refer to MS Monarch. 24.140.21.61 (talk) 00:31, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Read please

MS Monarch is being scrapped — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.145.210 (talk) 04:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 19 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. No such user (talk) 14:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

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MS Monarch → MS Monarch of the SeasMS Monarch of the Seas – Vessel has been scrapped, so the page should be moved to her original name Angelgreat (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. -- Calidum 00:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

• Generally, a ship is housed at its current/last name, unless there is a compelling reason not to, such as significant history under a previous name. Mjroots (talk) 08:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• If it is moved, it should be moved to Monarch of the Seas, as there is consensus for excluding the prefix from cruise ships where it is not used by most reliable sources and isn't needed for disambiguation. See Talk:Symphony of the Seas#Requested move 6 December 2018. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 13:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots and Ahecht: Moved your Technical Request comments into the discussion. -2pou (talk) 17:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Angelgreat (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• The Vessel has been scrapped, so the page should be moved to her original name. Whenever a ship is scrapped, Wikipedia moves the vessel page to the vessel's original name whenever possible. I know there are exceptions especially if a vessel's later name is more popular, but I think the vessel page should be moved. Angelgreat (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose by default since I haven't seen any evidence that nominator's claim that "Whenever a ship is scrapped, Wikipedia moves the vessel page to the vessel's original name" is a policy that has consensus. I asked them about this at the RM at Talk:MS Magellan but haven't got a response. Registering my !vote now since this is approaching 7 days, but happy to reconsider if new evidence is presented. Colin M (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

  @Colin M: since you updated your !vote there, after evidence was presented, do you intend to do so here as well? Elli (talk | contribs) 14:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

  That discussion established that the controlling guideline is WP:SHIPNAME#Ships that changed name or nationality, which says that this article should be placed at the "best-known" name. No evidence has been presented in support of "MS Monarch of the Seas" being the best-known name, so I remain opposed to moving away from the status quo. Colin M (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.