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You need sources
[edit]You two need to provide reliable sources for those changes. The article text currently reflects what the current sources say. if you have references that say otherwise, then you need to provide a link to them. Otherwise, your changes are just original research and will be reverted. SilverserenC 02:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Luke Brugnara was sentenced on $300K tax loss not $45M! This is public record. The AOL article is full of inaccuracies and need to be corrected....Brugnara's 1992-1998 tax returns were NOT part of the indictment; in fact, Brugnara won a Federal Civil Tax Case for those tax years in 2008 in Civil Tax Court...please review PUBLIC FEDERAL COURT DOCUMENTS (civil case Federal Judge Haines, 3/2008; Federal criminal case Judge Alsup 5/2010) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.47.21 (talk) 03:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Can you give me a link to these documents? That would make it easier. Better yet, can you give me a link to a news article that got the information right? SilverserenC 03:32, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- These are the only public court documents that I can find having to do with the case: US v. BRUGNARA NDCal. 7-25-2008,
- United States Attorney Joseph P. Russoniello Northern District of California
- page=4&xmldoc=in%20fdco%2020100503760.xml&docbase=cslwar3-2007-curr&SizeDisp=7 ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO WITHDRAW GUILTY PLEA
- United States Attorney Joseph P. Russoniello Northern District of California press release No.2.
- -Aaron Booth (talk) 03:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- That fourth one actually says the amount was $45 million, at least for the sale of the four properties (and one in Vegas) from 2000 to 2002. SilverserenC 04:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- the website source is not supporting your statement. 50.175.250.142 (talk) 23:31, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, looks like that link died at some point in the 13 years since I posted it. Here's an updated link to the press release with the information on it being $45 million, 50.175.250.142. SilverserenC 00:07, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- the website source is not supporting your statement. 50.175.250.142 (talk) 23:31, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
- That fourth one actually says the amount was $45 million, at least for the sale of the four properties (and one in Vegas) from 2000 to 2002. SilverserenC 04:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Updates and Edits
[edit]This article was very POV, with a lot of direct quotes from legal filings by Brugnara, as well as cited statements that weren't backed up by the contents of the cited article. I tried to clean it up, trimming out unsupported statements, and improving the balance of the piece. If anyone has concerns about that, happy to discuss them here. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 20:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
This is now twice that Joshualeverburg1 has reverted my edits with only the comment "reverting vandalism," rather than bringing concerns to the talk page. If there are specific concerns about the edits, I'm happy to discuss them, but the problems with the page were clearly significant, including a very NPOV tone and content mix and statements in the page that were nowhere in the citation provided.BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 12:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
And, once again, a mass reversion of edits with the claim that I'm trying to "besmirch" Mr. Brugnara by attempting to make the article NPOV and to have the statements in the article actually be supported by the articles cited. Again, if there are specific concerns or objections to the edits, this talk page is the place to discuss them.BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Las Vegan as source
[edit]A number of the statements in the article are sourced to a story in the Las Vegan magazine, and I'm skeptical that it really qualifies as a reliable source, as it appears to be mainly a vanity magazine, rather than a real news source. To the extent possible, I've replaced the citations to statements that are sourced from that article to other reliable sources, but there are still a number in there. Thoughts on how to handle this?BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:08, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Both this article and the SF Weekly are pretty dubious sources; essentially, they are completely "Brugnara said this" articles, gosh-wowing at Brugnara's personality, and taking his own statements at face value. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 16:45, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- That was my take too. I'll go through and trim some more. Thanks for the feedback.BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 17:01, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2021
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Luke Bregnara's date of birth is 18 October 1963 as confirmed by the on-line official California Birth Index here: https://www.californiabirthindex.org/birth/luke_d_brugnara_born_1963_8313468 Serendipity94123 (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Not done: Birth dates have to be covered in multiple secondary sources to qualify for inclusion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Education/opening statement /removing
[edit]We need to remove and add certain information under picture. Add education (San Diego Sate University (BA) San Francisco Law School in template. Add website Use regular template like another living person : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart.
Luke Dominic Brugnara (born 1963 or 1964) is an American commercial real estate investor and developer. Brugnara is known for purchasing high rise office buildings and casinos in San Francisco and the Las Vegas Strip in the 1990s and 2000s.
and remove from template
Criminal charge(s) Tax evasion, mail fraud Criminal status
Template should be changed. Mprikhodko (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Why? Is it no longer the case that he was convicted and imprisoned for tax evasion and mail fraud? He is quite arguably best known for this. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 17:14, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please identify your relationship to Luke Dominic Brugnara Mprikhodko (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- What makes you think @Jpgordon has one? On the other hand, given the history of this article, I have to ask, do you have a relationship to Mr. Brugnara? BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I am happy to share my identity with you, as you and Jgordon will share your identity with me. i have no affiliation with luke brugnara at all. if you look at other business men and women who have been to federal prison (see Martha Stewart's Wikipedia page) none have any mention of criminal conviction, criminal status, or opening paragraph criminal convictions,...you are trying to defame luke brugnra by not following the standard set by Wikipedia's editors whereas the opening paragraph and index should NOT look like a Dept of Justice webpage. I am happy to take this all the way up the ladder at Wikipedia because you are not following the standards set by Wikipedia (refer to Martha Stewarts wiki page for guidance). Mprikhodko (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't need to share anything with anybody. If you want to know who I am and what I've done, just look at User:Jpgordon; I'm one of the least anonymous people here. I only know of Brugnara because (a) he used to own a building on Post Street in SF where one of my doctors has an office (and where Brugnara was fined a million bucks for disposing of medical waste improperly); and I lived a block away from the house he rented to Michael Jackson in Las Vegas. I don't think you actually know what "defamation" is; quite certainly, publishing true statements is not that. As far as Martha Stewart is concerned, she's extremely well known, and her single conviction for insider training is not a major part of her biography; there's really no comparison to be made. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 23:44, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- To give you some context, there's a long history of attempts by sock puppets connected to Mr. Brugnara to make non-neutral edits to this page. Given this context, you can understand how what I'm sure are entirely unbiased edits on your part could come across as attempting to whitewash the article. I am curious, what led you to decide to focus so much of your newly-started Wikipedia editing on this page? BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 00:40, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- He does have a point, though. Mr Brugnara is not at moment incarcerated nor, to my knowledge, under any criminal investigation. Infobox person would indeed be more appropriate; full information about his legal issues is in the article. This is consistent with my belief that introductory sentences should not say stuff like "XXX is a poet, navigator, dog groomer, and convicted criminal." --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:10, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- JPgordon, could you please make this more appropriate? You’re welcome to rewrite it with references if needed, or I can revise it myself.
- BubbaJoe123456, your identity is anonymous. I am writing about individuals in Russian prisons, specifically political prisoners, where safeguarding people from harm is critically important. ~2025-33742-43 (talk) 02:29, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- Your identity is anonymous too. What's your point? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:31, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- I've semi-protected the article again. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 04:13, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- Your identity is anonymous too. What's your point? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:31, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- jpgordon: I think the article violate Wikipedia's one Ofthree core content policies:
- Neutral point of view (NPOV)
- We need to refer to link to Forbes/ education /company website. Mprikhodko (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'll wait to see some WP:CONSENSUS before I do anything here. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 18:09, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Jpgordon, @BubbaJoe123456, et al.: I've reverted a legal threat from a temporary account. There have been a few UPE operations associated with the subject (see for example Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luke Brugnara (2nd nomination).) Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 06:40, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I'll wait to see some WP:CONSENSUS before I do anything here. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 18:09, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- He actually is under criminal investigation - he's been indicted on wire fraud and money laundering charges, and will go to trial next year. United States v. Brugnara, 3:24-cr-00277 – CourtListener.com At this point, he's at least as notable for his criminal history as for his real estate work. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 14:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- I've blocked Mprikhodko for making legal threats, as well as the underlying IP range it's been using with its temporary accounts. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, I suppose Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mprikhodko can be closed now. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:49, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 18:04, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- And boy, I was wrong -- I'd forgotten completely that Brugnara has an upcoming trial for COVID fraud. Unsurprising. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 17:21, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- User:Joshualeverburg1 contributions seem to be WP:COI
- Luke Brugnara?
- the voice of this article seems self-serving in most paragraphs
- rewrite?
- Piñanana (talk) 02:36, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- should the Lead paragraph have "convicted felon" ?
- Piñanana (talk) 02:39, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- Never. It conveys no useful information. We say, "He was convicted of tax evasion in 2010; in 2015, he was convicted of defrauding an art dealer and sentenced to seven years in prison" in the second sentence; this says plenty. The phrase "convicted felon" can mean anything from a 50-year-old pot conviction to Charles Manson -- I wish it were in the "never use this" category of phrases. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:47, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- many convicted felons have this in the Lead paragraph
- Piñanana (talk) 02:58, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- Never. It conveys no useful information. We say, "He was convicted of tax evasion in 2010; in 2015, he was convicted of defrauding an art dealer and sentenced to seven years in prison" in the second sentence; this says plenty. The phrase "convicted felon" can mean anything from a 50-year-old pot conviction to Charles Manson -- I wish it were in the "never use this" category of phrases. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:47, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
- And boy, I was wrong -- I'd forgotten completely that Brugnara has an upcoming trial for COVID fraud. Unsurprising. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 17:21, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
- I've blocked Mprikhodko for making legal threats, as well as the underlying IP range it's been using with its temporary accounts. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:48, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- He does have a point, though. Mr Brugnara is not at moment incarcerated nor, to my knowledge, under any criminal investigation. Infobox person would indeed be more appropriate; full information about his legal issues is in the article. This is consistent with my belief that introductory sentences should not say stuff like "XXX is a poet, navigator, dog groomer, and convicted criminal." --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 02:10, 15 November 2025 (UTC)
- I am happy to share my identity with you, as you and Jgordon will share your identity with me. i have no affiliation with luke brugnara at all. if you look at other business men and women who have been to federal prison (see Martha Stewart's Wikipedia page) none have any mention of criminal conviction, criminal status, or opening paragraph criminal convictions,...you are trying to defame luke brugnra by not following the standard set by Wikipedia's editors whereas the opening paragraph and index should NOT look like a Dept of Justice webpage. I am happy to take this all the way up the ladder at Wikipedia because you are not following the standards set by Wikipedia (refer to Martha Stewarts wiki page for guidance). Mprikhodko (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- What makes you think @Jpgordon has one? On the other hand, given the history of this article, I have to ask, do you have a relationship to Mr. Brugnara? BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Please identify your relationship to Luke Dominic Brugnara Mprikhodko (talk) 19:42, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
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