Talk:Lowland Clearances
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[edit]The big problem is that this term has been used in a number of different contexts.--MacRusgail 21:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Er, yes - where's the big problem, then? – Agendum 20:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- This refers to only one of them. I have heard it used to refer to the slum clearances to out of town schemes, Border estates evicting folk in the last ten years etc, as well as the historical processes that occurred around 300 years ago or more. --MacRusgail 19:54, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The article is is a mess of errors and unsubstaniated claims.
John Cockburn's 'ranch' - oh come on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.200.14.141 (talk) 09:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- Although no references are cited, the Further Reading and External Links should give a good clue as to the sources of the information contained here. Both Smout and Devine are known as respected historians of Scotland and its people. Please feel free to take your doubts up with them. Agendum (talk) 11:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Gaelic
[edit]Do we really need to have the Gaelic for "Lowland Clearances" here? The Lowlands are not Gaelic speaking, and we don't have Scots for "Highland Clearances" in the first line of that article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.84.66 (talk) 22:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
- Some of the Lowlands were Gaidhlig speaking into the modern period. "we don't have Scots" - No, you don't. You have Lallans, Doric or Lowland Scots. There are two Scots languages.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:00, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Importance rating
[edit]I question the importance rating of this subject ("low") under WikiProject Scotland. For comparison, Enclosure, which is essentially the same process in England is rated "mid-importance" in the three WikiProjects for that article – including WikiProject History. Highland clearances is variously rated (high, top and mid) with "mid-importance" under WikiProject History.
Looking at sources, T M Devine in his The Scottish Clearances points out that the Lowlands were "the part of the country where the great majority of non-urban Scottish people lived, not only today but at the time of the evictions".(page 9) Yet Wikipedia gives much higher ratings to the article on the same process in the Highlands. The whole thrust of Devine's book is that the Lowland Clearances tend to be ignored but involved more people with a greater upheaval of the social structures of rural areas (providing the population for the rapidly growing great cities of Scotland in the process). He suggests that both the Highland and Lowland clearances were the foundation of modern Scotland. He also points out that the Lowland Cottar (who was cleared in the Lowland clearances) was once between a quarter and a third of the rural Lowland population. Given arguments of this sort, it is hard to see how the rating of "low" can be justified. I wonder what was in the mind of User:Dthomsen8 when this rating was assigned? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 20:36, 9 December 2022 (UTC)