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Latest comment: 1 month ago by Blue-Sonnet in topic NPOV?

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Hi Matt574, I read at User talk:Matt574#Lost April that you deleted material "not written in a neutral point of view". Please tell me more. MONTENSEM (talk) 19:13, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm also having a little trouble seeing it - there are some positive reviews, but if you feel that's unbalanced you can always add other reviews that you feel after more representative of critics' views at the time. Otherwise, I'm not really seeing any promotional language that sets off warning bells for me. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 19:21, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I, too, don't see it. You can safely revert. --Moscow Connection (talk) 19:30, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
That is fine by me. Matt574 (talk) 19:43, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I am genuinely curious, though, if you wouldn't mind explaining. (This is not just about restoring the material.) MONTENSEM (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I felt that the article didn't have the specific "flow" between sentences that link ideas together. It felt choppy in some areas when reading it over. Matt574 (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
So it had neutral wording but you felt that it needed copyediting? It would be a good idea to read though Wikipedia:Neutral point of view to understand why we were confused with what you said earlier.
But if it just needed a basic copyedit to link the different statements together, it's best to keep those statements in the article unless you have a good reason for removing them entirely.
Material should only really be removed if it doesn't meet specific Wikipedia policies - if that's the case, you explain your reasoning in the edit summary so others can understand why you removed that material. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 19:57, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I read through the article and in particular, I read the "Words to Watch" section in the Manual of Style. It says to avoid using words like "said" when writing about something that someone stated. Using pronouns would be more useful for biography articles or world events. Matt574 (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Ah ok! Well the manual of style is something we should ideally stick to, but it's not a hard rule like policies and guidelines. You can change words for more neutral ones if you feel it's appropriate - so it's case of swapping words for better ones, rather than getting rid of it entirely. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 20:45, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
BTW I've done a very quick copyedit myself, hopefully it reads better and addresses some of the problems. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 20:05, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I am restoring some material but am happy to discuss it, especially in terms of any concerns related to flow. MONTENSEM (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I forgot to mention I'd restored your edit! I only did a very quick copyedit, further work would be greatly appreciated. In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 20:26, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
That's fine. If anyone wants to make any edits, feel free. Matt574 (talk) 20:26, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think I got everything. I tried to make it more flowing and explicit. I'm not aware of any point-of-view issues, though that doesn't mean there aren't any. The article is mostly focused on Cole, but that's where the sources are focused. I'd be happy to work from other sources if there were more of them, though I generally prefer to work from books and journal articles. I stuck pretty close to the sources and read them closely and circumferentially in full context, not just at the point of a mention. MONTENSEM (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think the article Manual of Style/Music may be of help. Matt574 (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
"Said" provides guidance for not repeating that word relentlessly. I have now replaced the second iteration with a more specific alternative. MONTENSEM (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for all your help. MONTENSEM (talk) 21:10, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
No problem, I'm glad we got things straightened out for everyone! In solidarity, Blue-Sonnet (I'm listening) 21:37, 2 June 2026 (UTC)Reply