Talk:Lokono language

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The "writing system" and "phonology" sections are the same table twice

I think the Phonology section would be better with just IPA consonant and vowel charts potentially with the orthographical letters ⟨included⟩ and keep the table for the full alphabet in "Writing System"e. Jackass cooper (talk) 13:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

History

The history section has no history in it. It is more like current status. I looked at some of the links to other language Wiki articles to see whether there is any better history which I could translate, but the name Arawak is confusing as it can refer to the Arawak people, language group or one of the languages in the group, so it wasn't clear which the other articles refer to.Lkingscott (talk) 07:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Misleading and confusing Arwak/Lokono articles within Wikipedia

The Lokono people article (Lokono) states: „the term 'Arawak' does not exist as a word anywhere in the Lokono language, and instead was given to them by the Warrau tribe“. However, the German Wikipedia, which only has an Arawak, not a Lokono site, says, that Arawak comes from the Lokono word „aru“, meaning cassava flower (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arawak#:~:text=Die%20Arawak%2C%20Aruak%20oder%20Arawaken,Teilen%20Südamerikas%20finden%20oder%20fanden. )

Furthermore, this very article states that Awarak is a tribal name for the cassava plant. It doesnt specify which tribe named the plant/ the Awarak people. It comes off like the Awarak gave themselves the name, even though there shoulndt exist a Lokono word like Awarak and the name shouldve been given to them by an unrelated language, which would be the Warrau‘s language Warao. Enter your Username Your username is public and cannot be made private later (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 18 April 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. For consistency with the title of the article on the tribe, and for precision due to "Arawak language" referring to a more general family. (closed by non-admin page mover) {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 09:26, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

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Arawak language → Lokono language – Lokono is the preferred term of the Lokono people. The term Arawak is an exonym. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 22:58, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support as this is now the WP:COMMONNAME. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 16:09, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

  Also, "Arawak language" is extremely ambiguous due to the usage of this name for the entire language family. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:40, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

  I agree. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 17:16, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose for now as it doesn't seem to me like this is the WP:COMMONNAME.
  Google Scholar gives 27,200 hits for Arawak language and 2,000 hits for Lokono language, 3,590 for just Lokono, but that seems to also be including some instances of it being used to describe the people. Arawak alone gives 40,700 hits, and restricting searches to be the exact string "Arawak language" gets 2,400 hits. Hard to tell how many of the 27,200 hits for Arawak language are false positives, but overall Scholar seems to indicate Arawak language as the common name. Ngram also indicates Arawak language remains the common name, although there is a noticeable shift towards using the term Lokono instead of Arawak, which is why I'm saying oppose for now, as I could shift my view depending on how the discussion plays out.

⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 13:25, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

These results may have influence from the Arawakan language family, which is called the Arawak language family by certain scholars. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:28, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Glottolog, the ELP, WALS, etc. all use "Lokono" for the name. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 14:29, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I get 679 Google Scholar hits for "Arawak language family", accounting for about 28% of the "Arawak language" results. However, "Lokono language" returns only 61 hits. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 14:56, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I'm adding a link for "Lokono" + language, as there are sources that mention the Lokono language without the exact term "Lokono language". Sometimes it is merely referred to as "Lokono". Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Lokono is already the title for the people. It only promotes confusion to have the article for the language titled differently and at odds with what the people call themselves and their language. WP:COMMONNAME isn't the only consideration; we also have Wikipedia:TRIBE, which encourages using tribal self-identifiers, as well as Wikipedia:PRECISE and Wikipedia:CONSISTENT. The usage of "Arawak language" is not the term the tribe prefers, it is not precise because "Arawak" can be used to describe many languages, and it is not consistent with what we call the people. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

I would also add that some Google Scholar hits for "Arawak language" have nothing to do with Lokono. EG, hits for "Arawak language of Bolivia", "Tariana, an Arawak language from Northwest Amazonia", "Amuesha...an Arawak language from Peru", etc. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:11, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support per both WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT, because Lokono is already the article title for the people. --PoliticalPoint (talk) 19:08, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.