Talk:List of Final Destination characters
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This article needs a lot of work.
[edit]I stumbled upon this article while reading up on the previous films, it's a bit bulky with a lot of unneccesary details...and a LOT of repetition. I've already attempted some cleanup on FD2's characters, but see potential in the others as well. I'll see what I can put together. -- TRTX T / C 13:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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Alternate endings
[edit]I don't think the deaths of some of the characters in alternate endings should qualify as them officially dying, since the alternates were eventually scrapped for the actual deaths in the films. Because of this, Kim in FD2 should be classified as one of only two survivors to cheat Death in the whole series, Officer Burke being the other one. NorseNinja (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yup, I think you may have a point there. But since they are NEITHER MENTIONED or IMPLIED LIVING in the sequels, Kimberly and Burke are listed as deceased until a valuable proof of their existence is shown. --- FDJoshua22 05:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well first to know, there is no clear, canon indication of whether the two are alive, there are theories about even the non-canon death being false due to the errors, and furthermore what material(e.g. Words of God are often known to contradict themselves) outside the films can be accepted as plausible theory is debatable.
- The following is my opinion on this:
- As far as what should be accepted as canon, only what is explicitly shown in the original films should be: Mere indications should not count (for example a simple line 'every survivor died' in FD4 doesn't count, not helped by the fact that FD2 was not mentioned or even shown there)
- Usually, one person is assumed alive unless proven otherwise or was last known to be in a situation where he had zero chance of surviving. Some may argue that those escaped death once are on Death's list, but technically, isn't everyone? And had the non-canon ending been real, the two would have survived for at least 4 years which is significantly long.
- Applying the last confirmed rule to all the characters should be a reasonable solution, or else even those not on the death list should be classified as unknown. In this sense, most of the main characters are last known dead, Kimberly is last known alive, Wendy is last known in an ambiguous scene(=unknown). This should categorise whether the characters are confirmed dead, implied dead in an event but not confirmed, or merely implied that Death was still after them.
- There is one detail here though: The scene with the non-canon ending branches from the point when Wendy was to decide whether to read the map of Train 081 or not, meaning that regardless of whether Wendy picks, the newspaper would have been always there. However I personally still lean towards classifying Kimberly as last known alive since what could be regarded as canon is only the original film.
- The current wiki page has an inconsistency in that Kimberly is classified as deceased while Wendy is classified as unknown. I'm temporarily solving the problem by reverting Kimberly to alive; if you have a reason why they(along with Thomas and others) should both be classified as deceased feel free to state your opinions on the discuss page.W7n (talk) 12:38, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Mr Lewis & Brenda Campbell being targets?
[edit]Shouldn't Mr. Lewis & Brenda Campbell not be targets on Death's list since they're in-laws of Iris. Mbweb02 (talk) 05:28, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected, closed by Launchballer talk 22:53, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- ... that Thomas Burke may or may not be alive?
- Source: For its home release, Final Destination 3 had a Choose Their Fate way of watching the movie, an interactive version of the movie where viewers could choose how certain scenes played out. // But in the only canon timeline, the duo (presumably) lived to fight another day and successfully cheated Death (It’s worth noting that Kimberly’s actions also saved her friend, Thomas Burke, who would have died after her, but we’ll just assume Bludworth didn’t want to complicate matters and stuck to discussing the person whose actual decision affected the outcome.)
- ALT1: ... that while Kimberly Corman has been confirmed to be alive, it is not yet known if her friend Thomas Burke also cheated Death? Source: But that version of the story was never canon and now Bludworth’s information in Bloodlines confirms Kimberly’s method really and truly worked and she’s still alive. // (It’s worth noting that Kimberly’s actions also saved her friend, Thomas Burke, who would have died after her, but we’ll just assume Bludworth didn’t want to complicate matters and stuck to discussing the person whose actual decision affected the outcome.)
- ALT2: ... that according to a book, New York state trooper Thomas Burke was not meant to work the morning of the pile-up on Route 23? Source: (from Page 85 of the novelization Final Destination 2): As Officer Burke waited, he reached for more Tylenol, glancing queasily at the Dunkin' Donuts bag on the seat beside him. It was supposed to be his day off today, but he'd got a call at 6am telling him they had an officer down and they needed him to come in.
- ALT3: ... that according to a book, fictional New York state trooper Thomas Burke was not meant to work the morning of the pile-up on Route 23? Source: (from Page 85 of the novelization Final Destination 2): As Officer Burke waited, he reached for more Tylenol, glancing queasily at the Dunkin' Donuts bag on the seat beside him. It was supposed to be his day off today, but he'd got a call at 6am telling him they had an officer down and they needed him to come in.
- ALT4: ... that... that Thomas Burke and Kimberly Corman, both surviving characters of Final Destination 2 were intended to die in the franchise's third movie if both portraying actors were available to film the scene? Source: "They were going to die to tie the whole thing up to Final Destination 2. I loved the idea and we had it scripted and were going to try it. We were able to get one of the two actors who were available, but the other one wasn't," Perry recalled. // "If we couldn't do it all the way, we decided it was best not to do it. To have just one of them leaves an open ending which would make no sense in Death's overarching plan.
- ALT5: ... that author Iain Borden makes a reference to Final Destination 2 fictional character Thomas Burke in his 2013 non-fiction book Drive? Source: (Page 222)
- Reviewed: Diella (AI system)
- Comment: I have added two alternatives, and I wish to clarify that all Valnet sources, as I explained to the user who reviewed the article when I created it, are solely there as part of the opinion of their contributors, and not referencing any of the fictional character's or movie's or book's info. Thanks.
CoryGlee (talk) 14:37, 18 September 2025 (UTC).
- Comment: Not a full review, but the hook is written in an in-universe style that runs afoul of WP:DYKFICTION. Burke is a fictional character and thus can't be living or dead. Additionally, ALT1 contains a spoiler, which would probably rub the reader the wrong way. Bremps... 20:09, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Hey Bremps, thanks so much for clarifying this to me. I kind of "smelled" that it could be that way because it is tricky indeed... But I've seen tricky DYKs, although not this way. May you recommend me or advise as to what to do next? Can I, upon your wise input, modify this? Or must I wait for a formal review pointing what you did? Thanks a lot. CoryGlee (talk) 20:24, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I would recommend reviewing the article and reviewing sources to see if any other interesting facts stick out to you. You can edit your proposed DYK hooks at any time or add new ones (though they still need to be approved). Bremps... 20:38, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Thanks Bremps, I have added two alts... and I beg for help to find a visualization of that page. I couldn't find it on Google Book display, but I am obviously not lying on such a thing, LOL. I'd not lie to get banned for lying in something way too, too verifiable. Thanks. CoryGlee (talk) 21:47, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Hello Cory, this is still in violation of WP:DYKFICTION. I might not have been clear enough before. Burke is a fictional character, meaning aspects of his (fictional) biography are not eligible for DYK.
- Here are some theoretical hooks that could be DYKs if they were true (just examples, not true):
- FAKEALT0 ... that Thomas Burke has been used as a protest symbol in Madagascar? (Connected to theoretical real world events)
- FAKEALT1 ... that Emily Blunt conceived of Thomas Burke on a bike ride and suggested it to Final Destination writers? (Connected to theoretical real circumstances of how the character was conceived of in the real world)
- FAKEALT2 ... that GQ Magazine called Thomas Burke a "home movie icon"? (Connected to a theoretical real review)
- These are fake facts (don't use them!), but examples of what would be acceptable for a fictional character on DYK. Bremps... 22:02, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Bremps and thank you for your extreme patience, I am just getting immersed into DYK... Perhaps now it is possible with this new alt that I added. Sorry for the messy nomination. I promise it won't happen in future nominations. CoryGlee (talk) 04:26, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
- Please forget alt4.... I think I nailed it with the 5th CoryGlee (talk) 05:42, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
@Bremps: What else needs doing here?--Launchballer 23:47, 27 September 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, sorry if I was not clear, but this is not a full review, just passing suggestions. Bremps... 03:59, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
I just noticed that this got redirected at AfD, therefore the nomination fails.--Launchballer 22:52, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
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