Talk:Lid

Lidding film

"Some containers such as tubs or jars now have a plastic film heat sealed onto the container: this is often called a lidding film."

I have no objection to this being in the article. I just think it sits much better in the 'History' section than the intro, as the article is about lids of all types, not just this interesting but more recent development. Peteinterpol (talk) 06:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

It is not just history, it is a commonly used version of the term "lid". It should be in the intro or body of the article. More discussion of lidding film is needed and welcome. Pkgx (talk) 23:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Pkgx. OK, I can agree with you that it can go in the body of the article. Best wishes, Peteinterpol (talk)

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That RM now at Talk:Lid (disambiguation)#Requested move 18 October 2017. Andrewa (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Examples

@BD2412: If you want to assert that these examples have symbolic significance, we'd need secondary sourcing to back that up. With only primary sourcing, they are just random examples. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:39, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

It is WP:BLUESKY to note that lids are noted with symbolic significance in Greek myth and the Bible to point to attestable appearances in Greek myth and the Bible of lids being portrayed with symbolic significance. However, it never hurts to look for additional sources. BD2412 T 00:58, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

That there is symbolic significance to the use of this word by the particular translations mentions seems more OR than BLUESKY - this cannot be demonstrated simply by showing that the word was used. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:06, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't see how the translation even matters. The crux of the story of Pandora's Box was that it had a lid and the lid was lifted against instructions, to ill effect. Although earlier versions of the myth used a jar rather than a box, the element of the lid being lifted remains the same, and there is really no other way to conceptualize a container being opened in such a way as to allow contents within it to escape. As for the Bible verse, it says what it says. Although there are translations of the verse referring to a "cover" rather than a lid, they are still referring to the concept (this article being on the object, not on the word "lid" as a word). BD2412 T 02:50, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't see how any of this matters, which is why I removed these in the first place. Would you want to add in every myth or religious verse involving a lid or cover or similar idea? If no, what makes these significant? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The significance here is that these are particularly ancient references in nearly universally known bodies of work. This is no different than the article, Dice, noting that the Bible references casting lots. BD2412 T 04:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

The article already indicates that lids were used thousands of years before these, so they're not "particularly ancient", and "nearly universally known" is highly questionable - and even if true, does not in itself assign "symbolic cultural significance". Although you've rearranged the article, these still seem like cultural references included simply because they exist. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:07, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Still analogous to Dice, which mentions their prehistoric existence and also mentions their biblical reference. BD2412 T 05:19, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

That doesn't make it all right. The claims here still lack secondary sourcing indicating their significance, no matter how many articles may have similar issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

That is not a hammer. Some stuff exists for a reason, the reason here (and there) being to provide a fuller context for the reader. BD2412 T 16:46, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

I can't complain about the rewrite. Well done. BD2412 T 02:19, 16 February 2025 (UTC)