Talk:Lavra

Kyiv pechersk Lavra

Kyiv pechersk Lavra? Shouldn't it be under a title Ukraine, since it's not in Russia?

Shouldn't the article contain a reference to the Carthusian Order, since these monks also live in individual cells and meet for Vesper, Matins and Mass in the main church each day and eat together in the refectory on Sundays and feastdays, but recite the remainder of the hours in their cells, normally eat, work, read, etc. in their cells. It is a Roman Catholic order, but it is clearly the closest equalevant to the ancient Egyptian and Palestinean lavras in the modern Catholic or Orthodox churches. AN May 20, 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.239.152.174 (talk) 05:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Any lavra-style monastery on Mt Athos?

Is the Great Lavra a lavra? Was it initially? Any other previous or current lavra there? ArmindenArminden (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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Name

The website of the monastery shows a different name. http://lavra.spb.ru/ Свято-Троицкая Александро-Невская Лавра, Holy Trinity Alexander Nevsky Lavra. Lavra = monastery, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavra 173.161.8.133 (talk) 21:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Two distinct meanings

1. Cluster of cells in the wilderness, grouped around central church. Mainly Byzantine-period, Middle Eastern novelty.
2. Name later used for large Orthodox monasteries.

Not sure if there still are any of the initial type. Compare also to skete.

2nd meaning:

• Since when, how, why, where, who?
• Did any actual cluster-type lavra evolve into a communal monastery, taking along its old name & creating a precedent? Or was it just a way to grab the fame & respect gained by the wilderness lavras of old for the grand new ones?
• Where are they located today? The art. only deals with Russia, but judging by the list, also in Greece & Turkey, Ukraine, Romania - didn't check out the Balkans, but probably there too. So all across E. Orthodoxy?

See topic above: any real lavras on Mt Athos, ever? Arminden (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Difference betw. Kievan Rus', Russia, Russian Empire, "All Rus'"

Unlike Russian imperialists, we do have to make distinctions.

• Apostle Andrew tradition is non-historical, but shared by many national Churches, even a non-Slavic one (Romania). NOT a Russian affair!
• Kievan Rus': direct predecessor of Ukraine, not Muskovy. Moskow as a city, let alone as a principality, didn't exist yet by the time of the Christianisation of the Kievan Rus'.
• The name Russia was adopted by Muscovy only once it had grown into an empire - see Russia#Etymology: 15th-17th c., even Peter the Great.

So no mix-up please, let's keep them apart where they belong. Arminden (talk) 16:24, 30 January 2025 (UTC)