Talk:Late Middle Ages

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Late Middle Ages: European or Global Time Period?

It seems this article is trying to describe non-European regions yet still remains Eurocentric. While it's good to avoid focusing on Western civilization in our history articles, I feel as though this particular article's subject (the Late Middle Ages) is really more a European subject. To put it bluntly, the Middle Ages and its sub-division are time periods in Europe and describing other regions beyond their relationship to Europe seems kind of irrelevant. It's noticeable that the Middle Ages, Early Middle Ages, and High Middle Ages articles do not expand beyond the Middle Eastern developments and at least one doesn't even really go that far. I suggest we merge the non-European information with their respective regions' history or a more global time period equivalent (i.e. the Postclassical Era). Any opinions? InvaderCito (talk) 01:32, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I concur. Following the standard view, the Middle Ages are defined as the period between antiquity and the (early) modern age in Europe. I thus removed the non-European regions to bring the article in line with those you listed. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 21:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Timeline

For anyone watching this article, the Timeline section is broken. As I'm not familiar with how timeline syntax works I'll leave a comment here. (but if I don't get a response in a couple of days I might take a crack at it!) Aza24 (talk) 00:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Dating of the middle ages

Hey quick question. I noticed this article dates the late middle ages as dating from circa 1250-1500. Just from my observation, most books and sources i have seen date the late middle ages as starting from circa 1300, around the time the Templar Order was disbanded, the the Avignon Schism and the 1315 famine that officially started the “Crisis of the 14th century”. Do you think it would make sense to change the definition to circa 1300-1500 instead of 1250-1500 and if no what historical epoch should justify the approximate date remaining at 1250? Many thanks ZillennialMedievalist (talk) 01:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I think no change should be made, as you also speak about circa, so we may only add "cca." before the current starting date if necessaey.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC))

What do the rest of you think of this topic in 2021? To my mind, regardless of whether we use 1250, 1300 or even 1350, they are all estimations, so the best would be to give the rough date which is as close to a significant historical epoch that marks the "transition to a new age". To me, I propose changing the definition to "circa 1300-1500" due to the fact that most of the historical epochs use to mark the start of the Late middle ages happened around that time: such as the Siege of Acre (1291), the start of the medieval warm period (c. 1300), the burning of the templars (1314), the great famine (1315-17) and the Avignon Schism (1309). Do let me know! ZillennialMedievalist (talk) 17:16, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, I think the Black Death is one of the sharpest caesurae in European history, and therefore I believe it makes more sense to date the late medieval period only from c. 1250 to 1350, especially in Southern Europe, and the Renaissance from 1350 to 1600 (or even only to 1540), being neither medieval nor modern. It's always been strange to assign the late 15th century to the medieval period.

Alternatively, one could retain the dating from 1250 or 1300 to 1450 or 1500, with the introduction of the printing press, or the European discovery of the Americas, as the greatest caesura (personally, I tend towards 1250–1450, which is more traditional in the German-speaking scholarly community: in the mid-15th century, the Renaissance hadn't reached Central Europe yet, according to the traditional view anyway, but Gutenberg's extremely significant contribution still heralds the beginning of a new era), but eliminate the Renaissance as a historical period altogether and view it as an intellectual movement largely separate from historical periods, covering a timespan between the 13th or 14th and the 16th or 17th centuries, and have the early modern period start sometime between 1450 and 1500. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

"It's always been strange to assign the late 15th century to the medieval period." Partially true. Some events considered as marking the end of this era occur relatively early, while other take place later in the century. The Fall of Constantinople and the end of the Hundred Years' War both took place in 1453. The Battle of Bosworth Field took place in 1485, marking the end of the era for the Kingdom of England. The Granada War ended in 1492, marking the end of the era for Spain. The Voyages of Christopher Columbus begin in 1492, considered the start for the European colonization of the Americas. Dimadick (talk) 01:44, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure about the point you're trying to make here. I'm just saying that the late 15th century is in many ways highly atypical of the medieval period – the Printing Revolution being only the most obvious and celebrated aspect of this atypicality. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:42, 28 September 2021 (UTC)