Talk:L'Ecot

Autumn 2025 Educational Project Page

This page is part of an Educational Project by students of Grenoble Ecole de Management (GEM), France, with a course page at: . The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform, have completed mandatory Training for Students, and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipedia requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student Usernames are:

• GEMLina2B
• GEMAngèle2B
• GEMBianca2B
• GEMMarygrace2B
• GEMVincent2B
• GEMlucas.2b

Issues or questions can be referred direct to the users or to their tutor @Limelightangel Limelightangel (talk) 10:44, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Lead section

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• Note the guidelines on the lead (or introduction) section. Look at other similar pages and see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section
• it should include the key internal links related to relevant other pages
• the ski mountaineering text probably belongs in a later section

Limelightangel (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

• see above
• use a Help:piped link for the text Haute Maurienne, etc.
• be consistent and correct here and across the page for all date/number formats, with consistent use of imperial/metric alternatives e.g. 2000m,2,000 meters, 55 km, etc. See similar pages and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers
• unclear grammar: "conserved mountain architecture."

Limelightangel (talk) 10:58, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Sources/References

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• refs. 2 & 5 are duplicated. See Help:Citing sources. You use the refname tag to create multiple text citations to a single final reference.
• needs far better and deeper sources than a few low quality, superficial tourist websites

Limelightangel (talk) 14:21, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• remove the orphaned [1] in references
• fix the error in red in final reference
• be consistent across the references. Remove the UPPER CASE in refs. 11 & 13
• be clear & consistent in format for non-English sources
• be consistent in website references, particularly for website name: www.bonnevalsurarc.fr is a URL, not a website name. See Help:Citing sources
• the author of ref. 4 may be Kaïs Serrano, not 'mbruno - check it
• the correct page title for ref. 5 is Eglise Catholique
• ref. 8 the page title is La politique de connaissance de l'établissement; the website name is Parc national de Vanoise, etc.
• watch out for low quality sources with unclear authorship e.g. ref. 10 blog
• ref. 11 is missing the author (Agnès BRIANÇON-MARJOLLET) and the correct website name
• first two paragraphs under Architecture, entire Wildlife section, and Limelightangel (talk) 11:17, 19 October 2025 (UTC) first under Eco-tourism have no sources

Limelightangel (talk) 10:38, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

• Search for reciprocal linking GEMAngèle2B (talk) 08:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

upper case are removed for 11 and 13 sources, title for page 5 are corrected, ref 11 are corrected, First under Eco-tourism have sources now GEMLucas2.b GEMlucas.2b (talk) 07:35, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

What is done : Author of ref.4 corrected GEMAngèle2B (talk) 07:12, 23 October 2025 (UTC) GEMAngèle2B

Further referencing issues

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• large text sections with no references e.g. Etymology 2nd paragraph; Architecture 2 paragraphs; History second paragraph; etc.
• avoid text sections with just a single source. Try to synthesize from multiple sources, rather than rely on single sources.
• References header in wrong place, with error in red and an erronerous [1]
• fix errors in red in refs. 9 and 31
• fix and relocate the Cite error: The named reference :32 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
• Grammar in references: ref.6 de géographie alpine ( Revue de Géographie Alpine); ref. 9 (octobre); Ref. 26; ref. 31 (septembre); etc.
• ref. 11 and 21 are formatted incorrectly; ref. 21. has an author and date (Charline Coeuillas - Mise à jour le 05/12/2015)
• ref. 23 is unacceptable: you cannot reference Wikipedia
• not all non-English references are marked as 'in French'
• remove UPPER CASE in ref. 19.

Limelightangel (talk) 05:45, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Infobox

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• see Help:Infobox, Wikipedia:list of infoboxes and see similar pages

Limelightangel (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Images & Content development

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• the flat text needs developing in to an engaging digital format. Elements to consider include: an effective infobox, images, tables, lists, maps, quotations, 4 types of linking (external links, internal links, references & see also's), etc.
• there may be existing relevant images already on WikiMedia

Limelightangel (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

• Sainte-Marguerite Chapel needs a subsection with images
• repetition to resolve with better structure
• see Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
• needs better map, images & Infobox

Limelightangel (talk) 11:17, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

DONE: Chapel Sainte-Marguerite now has images GEMAngèle2B (talk) 11:27, 22 October 2025 (UTC)GEMAngèle2B

Linking

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• understand, avoid and correct overlinking e.g. whitewash. See help:Link
• correct internal links in red. Text in the links need to match existing English pages
• use a Help:piped link to resolve unnecessary linked text e.g. to 'the Vanoise National Park'
• do not link out direct from text to external websites - use references for this. See Help:citing sources
• missing internal links

Limelightangel (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

links in red are corrected GEMLucas2.b GEMlucas.2b (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• duplicte links e.g. Vanoise National Park (4 times), slate, gneiss, schist, etc.
• would expect link to Vanoise National Park to be in lead or missing location section, not at the end here; would expect links to gneiss, schist etc. to be used in the missing geology section i.e. earlier
• etymology & ecotourism lack internal links
• overlinking: slate, larch, attic, livestock, etc. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking, particularly section on Overlinking and underlinking
• do not link out to external websites from the text - use a refference

Limelightangel (talk) 05:58, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Grammar & Style

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• check all content for grammar and style e.g.Savoie department, in the southeast France,

conserved mountain architecture, the 1950s–1960s many, renewed occupation emerged, Finally, today, is often considered one of its natural gateways, Its views that include , the wiser Haute Maurienne, then made the most out of this, giving tourists an opportunity to engage and immerse themselves ; its waterfall, a popular stopover for nature and mountain lovers, Outdoor activities are also available, allow visitors to explore the area gently, etc.

Limelightangel (talk) 11:11, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

• Fixed the 1950s-1960s grammar mistake GEMVincent2B (talk) 15:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
• all grammar mistake are fixed GEMLucas2.b GEMlucas.2b (talk) 07:31, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

* I have reviewed and corrected the new content for grammar, English usage, syntax, and clarity GEMBianca2B (talk)

GEMVincent2B (talk) 10:06, 18 November 2025 (UTC)GEMVincent2B (talk)GEMVincent2B (talk) 10:06, 18 November 2025 (UTC) 08:48, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• look at the format for the name of a place in a lead section e.g. see Edale
• use consistent and correct format for all numbers, (including for elevations, distances, etc.) with equivalents. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers and look at other pages
• grammar: particularly for deliverance and the pains of pregnant women., of The Arc River, with refuges (use English),offering tourists the possibility to experience the environment directly in the film, film themed outdoor events featuring a film theme., Churches and chapels which often showcase baroque treasures, which serve as celebration centres and spiritual grounds.,
• style: see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch : to this day, remarkably conserved, Although, transhumance remains symbolically and ecologically significant., now work with the park to balance , However, the mountain itself, has helped shape, frequently viewed as a natural gateway for many. , even Golden Eagle, Its views that include glacial cirques, wild animals and landscapes, attracts nature-lovers, tourists and families all year round. , offering opportunities to enjoy the same views, making it an ideal site for a film to take place, then maximizied the potential, Families and enthusiasts are specifically drawn, allowing them to experience this adventure through the perspective, brought into focus by, The little town is filled with, Therefore, this strengths , are drawn to the, still shaped by , an ideal starting point for hikers wishing to explore, notably , can also be the, also offers, The hamlet offers, activities are offered, Nonetheless, In addition to, etc.
• remove: The hamlet of L'Ecot is too small to have it's own year-round weather data. ; it should be noted that local, Such rich yet fragile biodiversity requires regular scientific monitoring.,
• inconsistent naming: Saint-Margaret Chapel vs. Sainte-Marguerite Chapel

Limelightangel (talk) 06:40, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

To do:

1. Create an infobox for the article.
2. Ensure all images include clear, descriptive captions, and that they are properly justified and aligned within the page layout.

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b GEMVincent2B (talk) 15:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@Limelightangel GEMVincent2B (talk) 15:38, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Reciprocal linking

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, GEMlucas.2b, and Limelightangel:

Link relevant Wikipedia pages to L'Ecot, and modify those pages if necessary to include accurate and consistent information about L'Ecot.GEMVincent2B (talk) 09:00, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, GEMlucas.2b, and Limelightangel:

while too soon to add to the draft page, consider opening a Talk page section identifying the relevant categories to add to the page. See Help:Category and use on similar pages

while too soon to add to a draft page, you may wish to open a talk page section to identify and discuss potential links in to this page from existing pages ('reciprocal linking'. Note all links out will be suitable for a return link in to this page, but some will be. See Help:Link

I suggest you craft a clear location section first with the relevant internal links here

Limelightangel (talk) 06:44, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Images

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• make image captions clearer and more consistent e.g. Frescoes of Saint-Margaret the Virgin in the chapel at L'Ecot, Haute-Maurienne, France, etc.
• is there an image available of the actual hamlet?
• is the image The Arc River, in winter better in Climate section?

Limelightangel (talk) 05:18, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Structure

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

• there is an imbalance between the upper and lower parts of the page: the upper part has images, table, multiple references, and some good internal links; the lower section has no images, few references, etc.
• Etymology should come earlier? Perhaps before History? Look at siilar pages.
• is Transhumance and Pastoral heritage part of History section?
• Missing section? Location/Geography. This could include a bit on geology, nearest towns, surrounding topography (e.g. mountains, passes). This also will permit relevant internal links to some other pages., and a local map
• Ecotourism: some content not specifically about Ecotourism' - perhaps rename section? Information such as road access, elevation, etc. belong in a location section?

Limelightangel (talk) 05:22, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

I agree to create a new location section, that way we can add some of the text that is irrelevant in the ecotourism section GEMAngèle2B (talk) 15:35, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Draft review 15/11/25

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

A very good draft, nearly ready for submission:

• note conventions for numbers like distances on the English platform. You can use miles with a metric equivalant in brackets for each - see relevant section in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers. Be consistent with all number formats.
• some paragraphs with no sources e.g. in the very good section on Etymology; in Wildlife and Flora
• structure: location before history?
• remove the duplicate links - link out once, when the linked text is first used e.g. gneiss, Vanoise National Park, Arc, etc.
• missing image: Movie Poster of Belle and Sebastien
• structure: some repetitive content in Sociocultural Life and Restoration Efforts
• needs an Wikipedia:External links section. Understand the purpose and conventions for this section and look at similar pages
• needs a better See Also's section. Understand the purpose and conventions for this section and look at similar pages. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section
• note earlier feedback and help links on using Talk page to prepare Categories and potential relevant links in to add if the page is accepted. Don't add them until after the review process

Limelightangel (talk) 11:20, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

Modification needed

I will remove the duplicate links and add a Movie Poster of Belle and Sebastien GEMLina2B (talk) 10:21, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Cross-Reference Suggestions

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanoise_National_Park

@GEMLina2B, GEMAngèle2B, GEMBianca2B, GEMMarygrace2B, GEMVincent2B, and GEMlucas.2b:

GEMVincent2B(talk)