Talk:Kushwaha

Can you add these sourced data about kushwaha community of Nepal...

Can you add a different section of kushwaha community in nepal and add their total population and thier total percentage in total nepals population https://censusnepal.cbs.gov.np/results/files/result-folder/Caste%20Ethnicity_report_NPHC_2021.pdf and add thier population in different provinces of nepal and in different districts of nepal https://censusnepal.cbs.gov.np/results/downloads/caste-ethnicity you and check them in second link their population in percentage wise of province and district And also add the data also that they fall under vaishya varna in nepal not shudra check this link for that https://nepal.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/pub-pdf/Population%20Monograph%20V02.pdf I have provided all the source about kushwaha community in nepal i hope you will add it here adding a different section named kushwaha community of nepal. Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

This is already in the infobox. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

There is not added na about province wise and district wise can you add that you can get it in second link and third where kushwaha are officially vashiya community in nepal that is also not here you can check it in third link.... Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Collapsed edit made contrary to CT/SA

Proposed Edit: "The article's lead section must clearly identify the Kushwaha community as Suryavanshi Kshatriya Rajputs. It is essential to represent this community with its full historical dignity, acknowledging its lineage from the Kachwaha clan." Special Request for Editors: "I request the editors to ensure the page reflects the community's high social standing. Historical records and the community's self-identity consistently point to their Rajput/Kshatriya roots. Any terminology that downplays this status or categorizes the community incorrectly should be corrected to maintain historical accuracy and social respect. The identity of the Kushwahas is deeply tied to the Kachwaha Rajput heritage, and the main page should unequivocally state this to prevent any social misrepresentation." Historical Evidence Provided: Royal Lineage: Connection to the Kachwaha House of Amber/Jaipur (descendants of Kusha). Institutional Recognition: The formal resolutions of the All India Kushwaha Kshatriya Mahasabha (established early 20th century). Scholarly References: Documentation by Sir Roper Lethbridge and William R. Pinch regarding the community's successful assertion of Kshatriya/Rajput status. Conclusion: Please update the main page to reflect these facts and ensure the community's identity is presented with the honor and historical context it deserves as a Rajput Kshatriya clan." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushil singh0.1 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

Add shudra varna for kushwaha

kindly add shudra varna for kushwaha community,which they are ~2025-33029-03 (talk) 10:34, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Collapsed edits made in contravention of CT/SA

Dear Editors, I would like to propose an essential historical correction to the Kushwaha article to ensure its accuracy and neutrality. Based on extensive ethnographic and historical records, the Kushwaha and Kachwaha communities are intrinsically linked, sharing the same lineage and historical origins. Key Historical Arguments & Citations: Common Ancestry: According to the genealogical records of the 'Suryavansha', both Kushwaha and Kachwaha identify as the direct descendants of Kush, the eldest son of Lord Rama. Historians like Sir Jadunath Sarkar (A History of Jaipur) and Colonel James Tod (Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan) have documented this lineage extensively. British Ethnographic Records: In 'The Golden Book of India' (1893), Sir Roper Lethbridge lists the Kachwaha/Kushwaha as one of the premier Kshatriya/Rajput clans of Northern India. Regional Variations: The terms 'Kushwaha' and 'Kachwaha' are regional linguistic variations of the same root. In Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, this community further branched into sub-groups such as Maurya, Saini, Koeri, Murao, and Shakya. Historical evidence suggests these are branches of the same martial (Kshatriya) lineage rather than distinct castes. Epigraphic Evidence: Inscriptions from the Sahastra-Bahu Temple (Gwalior Fort) and Narwar Fort clearly identify the Kachwaha/Kushwaha rulers as 'Kshatriyas' and 'Rajputs'. Request: I request the Wikipedia editorial board to acknowledge and address the Kushwaha community as 'Kachwaha Rajput' or of 'Kshatriya' origin rather than categorizing them solely as an agrarian community. This reflects the historical reality and scholarly consensus. Respectfully, Sushil Singh Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 03:10, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

== Formal request for integration of Kushwaha and Kachwaha Rajput historical identities ==

## Proposal: Historical Integration of Kushwaha and Kachwaha Rajput Identities

### Abstract

The Kushwaha (also known as Kachwaha Rajput) are an ancient Suryavanshi Kshatriya lineage. The community traces its descent to Maharaja Kush, the elder son of Lord Rama. Historical, linguistic, and epigraphic evidence suggests that 'Kushwaha' and 'Kachwaha' are synonymous terms representing the same root identity.

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### Key Historical and Literary Evidence

* **Gwalior Inscription (977 AD):** Inscription of Raja Vajradaman identifies the Kachchhapaghata (Kachwaha) kings specifically as Kushwaha.

* **Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan (James Tod):** Lists Kachwaha/Kushwaha as a primary Suryavanshi Rajput clan. (ISBN: 978-8171673667)

* **Peasants and Monks in British India (William R. Pinch):** Details the 20th-century Kushwaha Kshatriya movement and its Rajput links. (ISBN: 978-0520200616)

* **Prithviraj Raso (Chand Bardai):** Recognizes the lineage among the 36 Royal Rajput Clans.

* **The Kachhwahas of Amber (R. N. Prasad):** Documents the shared genealogical and historical origins of the community.

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### Edit Request

It is formally requested that Wikipedia editors integrate the Kushwaha article with the Kachwaha Rajput identity. Linguistic analysis and historical records confirm they represent the same Kshatriya origin. This integration is necessary to provide a cohesive historical context for readers.

Submitted by: Sushil Singh

Date: March 23, 2026

Signature: Sushil Singh ✍️ Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 03:45, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

== "Updated classification to Rajput based on historical inscriptions and academic sources." ==

"Historical evidence from the Gwalior Inscription (977 AD) and scholarly works by James Tod and William R. Pinch establish a direct link between the Kushwaha and the Suryavanshi Rajput lineage. Therefore, it is requested that the community be addressed and recognized as Rajput in accordance with these historical and academic records." Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

== Request to Update "Kushwaha" Article to "Kshatriya Rajput" with Historical Proofs ==

Dear Editorial Board, I, Sushil Singh, am submitting this formal request to update the terminology on the Kushwaha (Kachwaha) main page. Based on historical and genealogical evidence, it is clear that the Kushwaha community belongs to the Suryavanshi Kshatriya Rajput lineage. To maintain the accuracy and neutrality of the article, please consider the following specific citations: Historical Evidence & Citations: James Tod (Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, Vol. 1): Tod lists the Kachwaha (Kushwaha) as one of the 36 Royal Rajput Clans. (Reference: Pages 69-72, Chapter 7). William Crooke (The Tribes and Castes of the North-Western Provinces and Oudh, Vol. 3): This ethnographic work explicitly classifies the Kushwaha/Kachwaha under the 'Kshatriya' and 'Rajput' categories. (Reference: Pages 104-106). Puranic Evidence (Raghuvamsa by Kalidasa): According to the 'Raghuvamsa', the descendants of 'Kush', the son of Lord Rama, are identified as part of the Suryavanshi Kshatriya tradition. Sir Jadunath Sarkar (A History of Jaipur): The historian documents the Kachwaha lineage as an integral part of Rajput valor and Kshatriya Dharma. (Reference: Pages 15-22). The Imperial Gazetteer of India (Vol. 13): This official record recognizes the lineage of the Jaipur rulers and the Kachwaha clan as Kshatriya Rajput. (Reference: Page 385). Request: I humbly request the editors to address the Kushwaha community as "Kshatriya Rajput" on the main page. Correcting this based on solid historical references is essential for factual accuracy and historical justice. Sincerely, Sushil Singh Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 04:50, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

== Request for Update: Integrated Suryavanshi Kshatriya Rajput Identity (Kushwaha, Maurya, Shakya, and Kachhwaha) ==

Request for Update: Integrated Suryavanshi Kshatriya Rajput Identity (Kushwaha, Maurya, Shakya, and Kachhwaha)

Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 05:28, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

== Historical Evidence of Kushwaha-Kachhawa Lineage and Rajput Identity ==

Historical Evidence of Kushwaha-Kachhawa Lineage and Rajput Identity Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 05:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

We don't accept original research; we need reliable and verifiable source! Read WP:V, WP:OR. Ekdalian (talk) 10:01, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

"I appreciate your focus on WP:V and WP:OR. I am providing the following reliable secondary sources that document the historical and sociological claims of the Kushwaha-Kachhwaha identity. These are established academic works, not original research:

1. William R. Pinch (1996), 'Peasants and Monks in British India', University of California Press (Pages 91–93): * This scholarly work details the 1912 Munger convention of the All India Kushwaha Kshatriya Mahasabha and their formal assertion of a Suryavanshi Rajput identity, explicitly linking their lineage to the Kachhwaha clan of Jaipur.
2. J.N. Bhattacharya (1896), 'Hindu Castes and Sects', Thacker, Spink & Co. (Page 274): * Bhattacharya acknowledges the traditional claims of the community regarding their descent from Kush, the son of Rama, and their identification with the solar dynasty (Suryavansha).
3. Census of India, 1931, Volume VII (Bihar and Orissa), Part I - Report (Pages 268-270): * This official government record documents the formal petitions and the successful 'Sanskritization' movement where the community identified as Kushwaha-Kshatriya and sought recognition of their Rajput status in official records.
4. Christophe Jaffrelot (2003), 'India's Silent Revolution: The Rise of the Lower Castes in North India', Columbia University Press (Page 199): * Jaffrelot discusses how the Kushwaha community utilized their ancestral links to the Kachhwaha Rajput lineage to mobilize socially and politically in the early 20th century.

I propose that the article should reflect these documented historical movements and the community's identification with the Kachhwaha lineage, as recorded in these scholarly secondary sources. I would appreciate your help in neutrally integrating these findings." Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

First three of the sources can't be used for being from the British period (see WP:RAJ). I'd like to see a link to the fourth one. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

"Thank you, Fylindfotberserk, for clarifying the stance on British-era sources and WP:RAJ. I respect the guideline. As requested, here are the details and the link for the fourth source:

1. Source Link (Christophe Jaffrelot): You can view the relevant section on Google Books here: India's Silent Revolution - Page 199.
   • Specific Quote from Page 199: Jaffrelot notes: "In the early twentieth century, the Koeris... adopted the name of Kushwaha... and asserted their Kshatriya status by claiming a genealogical link to the Kachhwaha Rajput clan of Jaipur." 2.  Additional Modern Scholarly Source: To strengthen the neutrality and provide a more modern academic context, I would also like to suggest:
   • Source:' William R. Pinch (1996), 'Peasants and Monks in British India, University of California Press. (While he discusses the British period, this is a modern peer-reviewed academic work published by an Ivy League press, which fulfills the criteria for reliable secondary sources).
   • Page 92: Pinch states that the community leaders "...argued that the Kushwaha were none other than the Kachhwaha of Jaipur."

I believe including these documented sociological movements (how the community identifies and the academic recognition of this claim) would make the article more comprehensive. I look forward to your guidance on the best way to word this." Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

Which modern scholarly work (we don't consider Raj era source as already mentioned) says that they are considered as Rajput? Their own claim for the sake of upward social mobility is something different; almost all castes claim such lineages! Please share the relevant quote along with other details like author, publisher, page number and link (if available) from reliable source where the author talks about their lineage. Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 12:37, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

"Thank you for the guidance, Ekdalian. To support the inclusion of the Kushwaha-Kachhwaha connection as a documented academic subject, I am citing the following modern secondary sources (Peer-reviewed/Academic Press):

1. William R. Pinch (1996): Peasants and Monks in British India, University of California Press, ISBN 978-0520200616.
   • Context (Page 92): Pinch analyzes the 1910 formation of the Kushwaha Kshatriya Mahasabha not just as a claim, but as a significant socio-historical movement. He details how the community scholars formally linked their lineage to the Kachhwaha Rajputs of Amber through genealogical research.
2. Christophe Jaffrelot (2003): India's Silent Revolution: The Rise of the Lower Castes in North India, Columbia University Press, ISBN 978-0231127820.
   • Context (Chapter 8): Jaffrelot identifies the 'Sanskritization' and 'Kshatriyization' processes where the Kushwaha identity was constructed around the Suryavanshi Rajput lineage. This is a crucial sociological record of how the community's identity evolved in North India.
3. M.S.A. Rao (1979): Social Movements and Social Transformation, Macmillan, ISBN 978-0333261712.
   • Context (Section on Caste Movements): Rao documents the internal organizational efforts of the community to gain recognition as Kshatriyas, specifically referencing the adoption of the 'Kushwaha' title to denote their Kachhwaha Rajput ancestry.

These sources demonstrate that the connection is a subject of modern academic study in South Asian history and sociology. I suggest we mention this as a historical identity movement to maintain NPOV (Neutral Point of View)." Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Can you share the exact quotes please along with the exact page numbers? Ekdalian (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

As requested, here are the exact quotes and specific page numbers from the modern academic sources mentioned:

1. William R. Pinch (1996): Peasants and Monks in British India, University of California Press.

• Page Number: Page 92
• Key Excerpt: "...the Kushwaha-Kshatriya Mahasabha argued that the Koeri were descendants of Kusha, the son of Ram, and thus linked to the Kachhwaha Rajputs of Amber. This was not merely a claim but a significant socio-historical movement."
• Main Topic: Genealogical research by community scholars to link their lineage to the Royal house of Amber/Jaipur.

2. Christophe Jaffrelot (2003): India's Silent Revolution, Columbia University Press.

• Page Number: Chapter 8 (specifically pp. 198-200)
• Key Excerpt: "The Kushwah movement identifies the 'Sanskritization' and 'Kshatriyization' processes where the Kushwaha identity was constructed around the Suryavanshi Rajput lineage."
• Main Topic: The sociological evolution of the community's identity in North India through the adoption of Rajput status.

3. M.S.A. Rao (1979): Social Movements and Social Transformation, Macmillan.

• Page Number: Pages 133-134
• Key Excerpt: "The movement aimed at establishing that the Kushwahas were originally Kshatriyas... specifically referencing the adoption of the 'Kushwaha' title to denote their Kachhwaha Rajput ancestry."
• Main Topic: Internal organizational efforts (1922 Mahasabha) to gain formal recognition as Kshatriyas and establish their ancestral links.

These peer-reviewed sources demonstrate that the connection is a subject of modern academic study. I suggest including this to maintain a Neutral Point of View (NPOV) by documenting the historical identity movement. Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 01:28, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Formal Request to classify Kushwaha as 'Kachhwaha Rajput' based on Historical, Epigraphic, and Royal Family Evidence. ==

Formal Request to classify Kushwaha as 'Kachhwaha Rajput' based on Historical, Epigraphic, and Royal Family Evidence.

dear editors, Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 03:25, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Replied above. Ekdalian (talk) 12:39, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

"Dear Ekdalian, thank you for the feedback. I am providing the modern scholarly references as requested to support the Kshatriya/Suryavanshi identity context:

1. William R. Pinch (1996), Peasants and Monks in British India, University of California Press, pp. 90–93. (This book scholarly analyzes the 20th-century movement of the community to establish their identity as Kushwaha Kshatriyas of the Suryavanshi lineage).
2. Christophe Jaffrelot (2003), India's Silent Revolution, Columbia University Press, p. 199. (Recognizes the historical-social claims of the Kushwaha-Kachhwaha identity). These are reliable secondary sources from reputed academic publishers. I request you to consider these for inclusion in the 'Social Identity' or 'History' section."

Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Please share the exact quotes, no interpretation please! Ekdalian (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

"Dear Ekdalian, thank you for your patience. As requested, I am providing the direct, verbatim quotes from the scholarly sources without any interpretation:

1. Regarding the identity claim (William R. Pinch, 1996, p. 91):

"The All-India Kushwaha Kshatriya Mahasabha was formed in 1922... The main ideological thrust of the Mahasabha was to claim for the community a Suryavanshi Rajput status, based on their descent from Kush, the son of Ram."

2. Regarding the socio-historical movement (Christophe Jaffrelot, 2003, p. 199):

"The Kushvahas... have developed a strong sense of identity based on their claim to be Suryavanshi Rajputs. This movement was institutionalized through the All-India Kushwaha Kshatriya Mahasabha."

These citations are provided to support the historical and organizational context of the community's identity as documented by neutral academic scholars. I hope this meets the Wikipedia verification standards." Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 01:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Proposal for 'Historical Origins, Lineage, and Occupational Shift' Section ==

Proposal for 'Historical Origins, Lineage, and Occupational Shift' Section

Content: Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 03:53, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

== Request for reclassification of Kushwaha as 'Kachhwaha Rajput' based on Epigraphic, Academic, and Modern Royal Evidence. ==

Dear Editors, I am providing a consolidated set of verifiable evidence to establish the Suryavanshi Rajput origin of the Kushwaha community and its direct historical link with the Kachhwaha clan. I request that these points be integrated into the main article to ensure historical accuracy. 1. Epigraphic & Archeological Evidence (The Oldest Proof): Sas-Bahu Temple Inscription (Gwalior Fort): Dated 1093 AD. This primary source identifies the ruling Kachhapaghata (Kushwaha) dynasty as 'Kshatriyas'. Narwar Fort Records: Historical inscriptions from the Narwar (Madhya Pradesh) region confirm the lineage of the clan from Kush (son of Rama) and their status as Rajput rulers before their migration to Jaipur and Bihar. 2. Academic & Historical Citations (Scholarly Works): Sir Jadunath Sarkar: In his book "A History of Jaipur" (Orient Blackswan, 1984), Sarkar establishes that Kushwaha and Kachhwaha are linguistic variants of the same 'Kush-vansha'. Sir Roper Lethbridge: In "The Golden Book of India" (1893, Macmillan & Co.), Pages 241-242, he lists the Kushwaha/Kachhwaha as a premier Rajput clan of Northern India. William R. Pinch: In "Peasants and Monks in British India" (1996, University of California Press), Pages 81-90, he documents the formal recognition of the community's Kshatriya status by the British Census between 1901 and 1912. 3. Modern Validation from the Kachhwaha Royal Family: The shared ancestry is explicitly recognized by the current heads of the Kachhwaha lineage. Source: Princess Diya Kumari (Member of the Jaipur Royal Family & Deputy CM of Rajasthan). Date of Assertion: August 11, 2019. Media Reference: Princess Diya Kumari provided genealogical documents to the public, stating: "We are descendants of Lord Rama's son Kush." This confirms the unified identity of the Kushwaha/Kachhwaha fold. Link: NDTV News - Aug 11, 2019 Proposed Revision for Lead Paragraph: "The Kushwaha is a Suryavanshi Rajput clan. Comprehensive historical records (Jadunath Sarkar), 11th-century epigraphy (Gwalior), and contemporary formal recognition by the Jaipur Royal Family (2019) establish that Kushwaha and Kachhwaha are regional variations of the same Rajput lineage, sharing identical Gotras and a common ancestry from Kush, son of Lord Rama."

I submit these references as per Wikipedia’s WP:RS guidelines. Respectfully, Sushil Singh Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 03:24, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

== Comprehensive evidence to establish the 'Kachhwaha Rajput' identity of the Kushwaha community. ==

Dear Editors,

I am presenting a consolidated report featuring primary, secondary, and contemporary evidence to verify the Suryavanshi Rajput lineage of the Kushwaha community and its historical identity with the Kachhwaha clan. I request an update to the lead section to reflect these scholarly facts.

1. Epigraphic & Archaeological Evidence (10th–12th Century)

• Sas-Bahu Temple Inscription (Gwalior Fort, 1093 AD): This primary archaeological source identifies the ruling Kachhapaghata (Kushwaha) dynasty as "Kshatriyas".
• Narwar Fort Inscriptions: Archaeological findings in the Narwar region (historical seat of the clan) confirm the transition of the clan from Ayodhya to Central India as Rajput rulers.
  • Reference: Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) Reports, Alexander Cunningham.

2. Authoritative Academic References (Historiography)

• Sir Jadunath Sarkar: In "A History of Jaipur" (Orient Blackswan), Sarkar documents that 'Kushwaha' and 'Kachhwaha' are linguistic variations of the same Kush-vansha (descendants of Kush, son of Rama).
• Sir Roper Lethbridge: In "The Golden Book of India" (1893), Pages 241-242, he formally categorizes the Kushwaha/Kachhwaha as a premier Rajput clan of Northern India.
• William R. Pinch: In "Peasants and Monks in British India" (1996), Pages 81-90, he records the 1901-1912 movement where the community successfully asserted its Kshatriya status through documented genealogies.

3. Anthropological & Ethnographic Evidence

• William Crooke: In "The Tribes and Castes of the North-Western Provinces and Oudh" (1896), Crooke notes the shared ancestral roots and identical Gotras (e.g., Manavya, Bharadwaj) between the agrarian branches and the Rajput core of the clan.
• V.A. Smith: In "The Early History of India", Smith acknowledges the Kshatriya origins of the Maurya branch, which is a significant component of the modern Kushwaha identity.

4. Contemporary Royal Recognition (Contemporary Validation)

The link between the Kushwaha community and the Jaipur Royal Family (Kachhwaha) was formally validated by the current lineage holders.

• Source: Princess Diya Kumari (Member of the Jaipur Royal Family & Deputy CM of Rajasthan).
• Event: During the 2019 legal proceedings regarding historical lineages, she provided ancestral documents stating: "We are descendants of Lord Rama's son Kush."
• Media Citation: NDTV News, August 11, 2019

Proposed Revision for Wikipedia Intro:

"The Kushwaha is a prominent Suryavanshi Rajput clan claiming descent from Kush, son of Lord Rama. Backed by 11th-century epigraphic evidence from Gwalior, authoritative histories by Jadunath Sarkar, and contemporary recognition by the Jaipur Royal Family, it is established that Kushwaha and Kachhwaha are regional branches of the same Rajput lineage."

I submit these citations for verification under WP:RS (Reliable Sources) guidelines.

Respectfully,

Sushil Singh ~~~~ Sushil singh0.1 (talk) 02:42, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

You have been informed earlier not to cite Raj era source; also, there should be no interpretation from your end; read WP:OR, WP:SYN. Please share quotations along with page numbers from modern scholarly work only. Ekdalian (talk) 10:11, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Contentious topics / South Asia

As per CT/SA Only Extended confirmed editors are allowed to enter discussions on this page. - Arjayay (talk) 12:02, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Arjayay! Such discussions are not allowed for non-EC editors! Ekdalian (talk) 13:01, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

I have deleted the latest post since, as clearly explained above, and on the user's talk page, only Extended confirmed editors are allowed to enter discussions on this page. - Arjayay (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

some one removed sourced data

some one have removed kachhawa recently but it is fully sourced i hope administrator will look at that removing sourced things is not good na ~2026-33388-23 (talk) 03:48, 5 June 2026 (UTC)