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ZAZA is a dialect of the Kuridsh language!

Why haven't you edited Zaza a dialect of the Kurdish language? The Zaza dialect is related to other Kurdish dialect as Gorani, Kalhoori that are spoken is southern and western part of Kurdistan, in Hewraman, the Kuridstanina cities of Kermanshah (Kirmashan in Kurdish) and Ilam. Just because the Kurds haven't have the opportunity the last 100 years to rule themselves, the enemies of Kurdistan want to confuse the more than 4000 years old brave history of Kurdistan by try to distinguish the Kurds. The Zaza is a Kurdish dialect and they are an undevided part of Kurdistanian people. Separating the Zaza dialect from Kuridsh language is THE SAME MISTAKE as saying "British is not English, American in English" (reffering to that sorani, kurmanci, gorani and kalhori are as American in that example; british as Zaza dialect and english as Kurdish). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.151.43.53 (talk) 19:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

There is a famous saying regarding politics of languages: A language is a dialect with an army and navy.Heja Helweda (talk) 23:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Can a Zaza from Bingol, and a Kurd from Erbil communicate fluently? How about a Kurd from Suleymaniyah, and a Kurd from Van? The answer to both questions is no, and this should make us think deeply about what Kurdish really means. It seems like this term is applied to all of the languages spoken by the inhabitants of the regions where Kurds live. It may make sense politically (that is, Kurdish politics) but to me it doesn't make any sense linguistically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.50.81 (talk) 05:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

It appears to have become fashionable to accuse the Kurds of engaging in cultural supremacy and bullying people who live "in regions where Kurds live" (as though they even held many basic freedoms, let alone AUTHORITY outside of northern Iraq to control the people who live in "the regions where Kurds live") into being Kurdish. This is absurd and totally baseless, and I suspect the motive is nothing more than creating division within what little exists of a weak Kurdish unity as it is, not least of all due to the impassable borders between them, but also the employment of this very tactic, nothing new, cause fractures within previously strong bonds as has been worryingly weakened with the Zaza. They were given the idea that Kurmanci speakers neglected or ignored the Zaza culture and language while promoting Kurmanci. It's inconceivable to me how Kurmanci speakers can be accused of holding any advantage with which to do so, as I was totally unaware that Kurmanci speakers had the resources and freedom at hand to promote their culture and language. Accusing a people like the Kurds, who hold no rights even to their own culture in most of the countries they inhabit, of engaging in Kurdification of others is positively absurd. For you to go on to suggest there is a need to question the meaning of "Kurdishness" is just the most retarded thing imaginable, as if to suggest the Kurds have grown into a formidable unified force, and who can only be stopped by adding FURTHER divisions between them, beyond the international borders and the linguistic, cultural and religious barriers between their different communities, though in spite of which they have little faltered in their determination to hold strong to their identity as Kurds. There is more than linguistics here to take into account, there is a shared history, a shared culture, a shared identity. For this very reason, most Zaza continue to identify as Zaza KURDS, to the frustration of those who'd like to establish deep divides. Linguists appear to have an utter obsession with drawing distinctions between the various Kurdish groups, especially the Zaza and other Kurds, but even between Sorani and Kurmanci, the endless argument of whether they are dialects or languages as though such terms, by their own admission completely abstract, relative, and most importantly irrelevant, served any purpose whatsoever aside from creating artificial divides between people who against all odds have attempted to overcome them.

Kurds in kurdistan can understand both Kurmanci and Sorari!! how the hell did you came up to that conclusion?? It's harder with zazaki but it's still some kurds how nderstand it to. Kurmanci and Sorani is like Swedish and Norwegian!! ans as i know this people can understand eachother!! this is only something brought here by ur enemies to seperate the kurd more!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.179.6 (talk) 05:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

And Swedish and Norwegian are considered distinct languages... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.235.152 (talk) 10:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Stop spreading misinformation. Kurmanci and Sorani are not mutually inteligible. I know standard kurmanji and know very well about local dialect and I have met many sorani speakers and most of the time we spoke other languages to communicate. Even kurmanji speakers don't always understand each other this video is a very good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-AZZfHB6L8 --Rojan98 (talk) 16:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

removing sourced content

Please do not remove sourced content. Portbase (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Portbase Refrain from Wikipedia:Cherrypicking your sources and don't remove templates if you aren't addressing them. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 09:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

1) Sources should not be removed. 2) Templates should not be misused. 3) The page is called Kurdish languageS and not "Kurdish language". Portbase (talk) 09:54, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Titles are not God-sent. How are the templates being misused when you are cherrypicking? Also, if sources shouldn't be removed, I can add dozens of academic works by linguists arguing that its one language. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 10:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

This page is about Kurdish languages and not a single Kurdish language. A single Kurdish language who all Kurds can speak and understand it does not exist. Kurds from Turkey, Iraq and Iran speak different and can not understand each other. Why this attempt is coming from someone who is involved in all Kurdish related articles? If a Kurdish state exist someday the indigenous people of this state the Kurds speak different and can not understand each other because a single Kurdish language does not exist. For example a Kurmanji speaker can not understand every word of a Sorani speaker. Calling this languages to dialects is a way for Kurdish nationalists to unit the Kurdish people for a Kurdish state because everyone know that language is identity. But we are here on Wikipedia and should not dream about a Kurdish state and a single Kurdish language. Portbase (talk) 10:30, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Focus on my question instead. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 10:41, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

There are many other sources who call it languages and not dialects. The claim that the page Kurdish languageS is about a single Kurdish language is ethno-national pov. Portbase (talk) 10:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

So non-Kurdish linguists who argue that it is one language are pushing for an ethno-national POV for the Kurds? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

There are many Kurds who are involved in science and manipulate it. This page is literally called Kurdish languages (plural) and deals with several languages ​​that are spoken by Kurds and not a single language that all Kurds can speak and understand. Someone who misused the page Kurdish languages for a single Kurdish language has ethno-national intentions. And not even all Kurds call their language as "Kurdish". There are many Kurds who call their language Kurmanji and Sorani. In Turkey, many Kurds call their language Kurmanji and they do not call it "Kurdish". "The speakers of North Kurmanji call their language in general Kurmanji and never Kurdi (Kurdish)." Portbase (talk) 11:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

So Kurdish linguists cannot be neutral - got it. But I was talking about western linguists? Are they pushing for an ethno-pov as well? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Not all linguists agree. There are linguists and Ethnologue who clearly call it independent languages and not dialects. The attempts by Kurdish linguists and Kurdish nationalists who misused the page Kurdish languages for a single Kurdish language is ethno-national pov. Portbase (talk) 11:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

If not all linguists agree, why did you add to the article "According to Kurdish nationalists the Kurdish languages are different dialects of a single Kurdish language"? It's becoming clear that you're Wikipedia:NOTHERE. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Because this page is called Kurdish languageS and not Kurdish language. And according to the source Kurdish nationalists call it dialects. The previous version was totally pov. Portbase (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Baseless claims from you. On Wikipedia we only work on the basis of sources, not personal believes. Read the rules before editing. Refrain from POV-pushing and be constructive or I will involve admins. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 11:57, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

First of all I have added an information with source and you have reverted my edit and the source. Your edits are for personal beliefes. Portbase (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

I wrote about dialect differences in Kurmanji with many tables (in the article about Kurdish grammar which I added about 9000 bytes) but got deleted because he needed "source", even though I had sources many places in the text and I am a native speaker. I don't have time to do an edit war, I am new to this website and don't know to use it and stop here because I don't have time. I could give even more sources if he asked. After some search on the internet I found an academic work on Kurmanji dialects: https://www.academia.edu/9265566/Regional_variation_in_Kurmanji_A_preliminary_classification_of_dialects) It is a fact that Kurds don't speak one language but several close related languages and many more dialects. Also, most Kurmanji speakers call their everyday language Kurmanji and not "Kurdi". The only Kurmanji speaking population that really call their language "Kurdi" are Badini (the south-eastern dialect of Kurmanji). Central Kurds (aka Sorani) and as far as I know southern Kurds, on the other hand, call their language "Kurdi" and always called it so. Not "Sorani" and so on. The term "Sorani" is just a tribe name. I am a Kurd myself. I am a fluent Kurmanji speaker. I speak both the standard Kurmanji dialect (which is based on Celadet Bedirxans) and my local Kurmanji dialect.--Rojan98 (talk) 14:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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Kurdish languages

The reality is that kurds have many languages and kurmanji is one of them, and that kurmanji has dialectal varieties as which can be compared to difference between central kurdish and southern kurdish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojan98 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it is correct to say Kurds have many languages. Kurmanji is a Kurdish language dialect and its variations would be called sub dialect. Don't you agree?Marmzok (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Incoherent article opening

The opening of this article seems to be too detailed for an introduction. An abstarct or summary is missing. I would be happy to work on this. Marmzok (talk) 01:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Native language in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan

Nowhere in the reference documents cited is stated that Kurdish is spoken by 96% of the Kyrgyz population and 88% of the Kazakh population as a native language. That sentence should be removed immediately. I cannot believe that this piece of utter misinformation could stay on this restricted page for more than 5 years. Isn't it a bit too clear that Kurdish wouldn't be spoken by overwhelming majorities in Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan? Efekankorpez (talk) 08:22, 27 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.43.202.100 (talk)

It's 96.4% of 88.7% of the Kurdish population in the two countries. Not the whole population. --Semsûrî (talk) 08:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity.

Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)

I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks! Bookku (talk) 02:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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Archiving this talk page

Is it time to set up automated archiving for this talk page? Its size, 126K greatly exceeds the threshold suggested at Help:Archiving a talk page, and there are many long-closed discussions on it. Largoplazo (talk) 19:41, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

In the intro, right after, dialect continuum, please add “of Iranian languages” to make it clear.2603:8081:160A:BE2A:DD51:DA92:D0AB:7E3E (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done I considered responding that it's implied by the reference to "other" Northwest Iranian languages in the third sentence, but decided it makes sense to be be direct about it rather than leaving it as an implication. Largoplazo (talk) 19:47, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Hint

Kurdish languages in the Kurdish language(s) is not Kurdî. RealRojSerbest (talk) 11:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Fixed now. Thanks. --Semsûrî (talk) 12:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Her bijî. There is a huge debate about the difference between northern Kurdish and central Kurdish. I am afraid that Wikipedia might be the first place to say Sorani, Iranian language from Iraq or Sorans are different Iranic ethnic groups and not Kurds. Peace out, RealRojSerbest (talk) 03:44, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Kurdish language in Iran

Kurdish is also a recognized minority language in Iran. Can you put that in the infobox ? Avestaboy (talk) 22:39, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

South Kurdish (Xwarin Kurdish or Kermanshahian Kurdish) Pronounciation for This Title (Kurdish Language) > (زۆڤان کۆردی - Zûwane Kurdî)

Hi I do not have Wikipedia Account to become a Writer > i am Kurd of Zangeneh Tribe of Kermanshahian Kurdish (Kermanshahian is nickname for South Kurdish people and South Kurdish Language) we say Zuwane Kurdi (زۆڤان کوردی) not Zemani or Zimane Kurdi (زمانی کوردی) > our Language little near Zaza-Gorrani Dialect as to as we say Zewan and Zuwan Kurdi

i request for adding Southern Kurdish pronunciation for "Kurdish Language" (Latin : Zuwane Kurdi) (Arabic-Iranic Sorrani : زۆڤان کوردی 5.201.197.30 (talk) 12:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

We need a reliable source for the Southern Kurish spelling. So far I can't find anything on Google on 'زۆڤان کۆردی' --Semsûrî (talk) 12:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

i writed by Sorrani Writing > u must write زوان کوردی for search in Persian Writing to find beacuse in Iran we Writing Persian we call it Kermanshahian Kurdish Writing in Kermanshah and Ilam , u can search Zuwan Kurdi in Latin European Writing> in My Language we say Zuwan

this is many sites i found to say :

https://t.me/s/kurdileki?before=346

https://www.magiran.com/paper/873034

http://asoyroj.com/farsi/detail.aspx?=hewal&jmara=1431&Jor=1

https://www.instagram.com/amoozesh_kurdi/

https://www.ilamtoday.com/alam/show/?ihwfshfuw-%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-%D9%83%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%8A

https://ku.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuwan

https://sites.google.com/site/xuwarin/zuwani-kurdi

http://kurdishacademy.org/courses/south/peshwetin-ku.html

5.201.197.30 (talk) 13:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I have added the Southern Kurdish name now. --Semsûrî (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Fix names natively

Please replace line one col 1319-1368 to: cî}}), [[Central Kurdish]] ({{lang|ku-Latn|Soranî}}.

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Claims that Kurmanci and Sorani are "as different as English and German"

According to Philip Kreyenbroek (1992), it also may be misleading to call Kurmanji (Northern Kurdish) and Sorani "dialects" because they are in some ways as different from one another as German and English.

This is complete arse. My father is a Kurmanci speaker, and he has very little trouble understanding the Sorani dialect. To make a comparison like German and English is wholly unfounded and inaccurate, and I believe is an outsider's pedantic study of the two dialects. An English speaker would be hard pressed to understand anything spoken in German beyond the simplest of sentences, and only then by estimation. The same goes for a German speaker trying to understand English. Sorani and Kurmanci speakers have a level of mutual intelligibility far greater than do German and English speakers, comparable to Spanish and Italian.

If there are any other Kurmanci or Sorani speakers, I'd like to hear their opinions on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.108.128 (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I am not a Kurdish speaker, but I have a couple of comments. You deleted the article's claim that Kurmanji (aka Kurmanci) and Sorani are as different as English and German, but you did not delete the following claims the article makes:

Sorani differs on six grammatical points from Kurmanji. This appears to be a result of Gorani (Haurami) influence.

1. The passive conjugation: the Sorani passive morpheme -r-/-ra - corresponds to -y-/-ya - in Gorani and Zaza, while Kurmanji employs the auxiliary hatin, come;
2. a definite suffix -eke, also occurring in Zazaki;
3. an intensifying postverb -ewe, corresponding to Kurmanji preverbal ve-;
4. an 'open compound' construction with a suffix -e, for definite noun phrases with anepithet;
5. the preservation of enclitic personal pronouns, which have disappeared in Kurmanji and in Zaza;
6. a simplified izafeh system.

Those claims are unreferenced, but do you deny them? The article makes the well-referenced claim that "Sorani has neither gender nor case-endings, whereas Kurmanji has both" -- a big difference. The cited source for that also says: "In Sorani pronomial enclitics play a crucial role in verbal constructions, while Kurmanji has no such enclitics." The fact that written Kurmanji is in a Roman alphabet while written Sorani is in a Persian alphabet creates an important further barrier between them in the modern world where so much language communication is in the written form. Seanwal111111 (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The new clarifications added to that section of the article are welcome. It makes sense to compare it to English and German from a grammatical perspective, but the previous entry did not draw that distinction, and made no mention of the similar vocabulary and pronunciation, which might have mislead readers with regards to the extent of the differences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.156.86 (talk) 15:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I know many Kurds and they cannot understand spoken Sorani. Even Wikipedia has two separate wikipedias: Kurdish wikipedia is entirely in Kurmanci and a separate Sorani wikipedia exists. I am not talking about the issue of Arabic and Latin script which is a different question. Why wikipedia recognizes this difference but English wikipedia calls them one language in this article, I do not know. We should move everything to a Kurmanci and Sorani article and leave here only the differences and linguistic things, changing the name to "Kurdish languages". That way we can include Zaza too. Plentoytime (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I am Kurmanji speaker and I can pretty much understand Sorani but not completely. As for GOrani and Zaza, I cannot understand these at all, actually at times I can pick up more what a Persian says then a Gorani/Zaza.--87.194.107.249 (talk) 01:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

This sounds like an obvious step. It does not deny any similarities or closeness linguistically or culturally to acknowledge reality of the languages. Quoting passages from Kurmanci and Sorani Wikipedia may well be a good example case to demonstrate those Kurdish languages. Nobody tries to say Norwegian and Swedish are the same language, and there is more substantive differences here. This does not affect the Wiki pages for the "Kurdistan Region", it is just an issue of linguistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.235.152 (talk) 10:35, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it's very misleading to say "kurmanji & sorani are as different as german & english is". This is true if you just compare technical grammatical aspects. Say you look at whether there is grammatical gender, different cases etc, then yes the statement is true. You might even say kurmanji & sorani are as differnet (grammatically) as kurmanji & english is. But these statements are very misleading. Let me define a new language called "Genglish", which is german with a few changes to make it grammatically similar to english:

• There is no gender, all nouns are "die" (feminine in German).
• No cases for nouns, slight simplification of grammar. Pronouns only have accusative & nominative case.
• Small changes to phonology. For example pronounce "W" like a round one in english rather than a hard "V" as is done in german.
• Maybe a few other changes too, like modify 20% of the vocabulary.

Now, the new language "Genglish" is grammatically similar to English. One could say that "Genglish is as different from German as English is". However, a German speaker will not be able to understand English without intensitve training. But even if he might find Genglish hard to understand, after very little training he will be able to understand most of it. This is the situation with Kurdish.

My native dialect is "southern kurdish" (feyli/kalhori), which is much more distant from kurmanji (northern kurdish) than sorani is (central kurdish). In the beginning I had a hard time understanding kurmanji, but after 1-2 hours of studying the differences & listening to TV programs I'm able to understand between 75-90% of any kurmanji TV show I see (depending on local kurmanji dialect & how many turkish words are used). On the other hand, I'm a danish citizen and do a PhD in Canada. Thus I speak danish and english at a native or near native level. Knowing both of these (especially danish for vocabulary) helps A LOT when learning german. I've been studying german intensively for months and only recently been able to read simple books & understand a bit of TV Show (Heute Show is my favorite).

Therefore clearly, southern kurdish (and thus definitely also Sorani) is MUCH closer to kurmanji than english & german are. Languages are complicated things and to take some basic binary notions like technical aspects of grammar to talk about "lingustic distance", is very misleading. 2607:FEA8:1D5F:FB98:BD55:D7E2:C10D:4E7E (talk) 07:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I am a sorani speaker and i understand kurmanci almost completely, and I've never lived in a kurmanci speaking region or studied kurmanci Zageos21 (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

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Two variant maps of Kurdish-speaking areas?

Is both really needed? The one below seems to be a lot better and details. I propose we keep just the one. --TataofTata (talk) 15:08, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 October 2021

Aland jakob (talk) 12:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Largoplazo (talk) 12:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Kurdali

Recently Kurdali (Palai) added to the article as a main subdivision of Kurdish. There is only one reference and the claim is based on a short footnote about Kurdali on the source page. One reference is not enough to add it as a main division of Kurdish. Actually, there are not many sources about this dialect, even the article was created recently. We can mention Kurdali, but I oppose listing it as a subdivision. Other credible sources are needed in order to add Kurdali to the list. (I call @Kwamikagami and Semsûrî:, and other users to this discussion) Serchia (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

If there's not a lot of information on Kordali, it could be merged into Southern Kurdish. --Semsûrî (talk) 14:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Is there some reason you believe that the Atlas of the Languages of Iran is not reliable? There are many obscure languages in the world. Obscurity doesn't mean they don't exist. — kwami (talk) 19:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: I don't say it doesn't exist. We are talking here about the classification of the dialect. We can mention this dialect on this page, but not list it as a main subdivision, as there are not enough references, even Laki is not listed as a subdivision that may have more resources. Serchia (talk) 15:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, but do you have reason to believe that the Atlas is not reliable? — kwami (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: I don't know about the whole atlas, but for this matter, as there is only one reference, I don't see it as a reliable source. I think at least we need three reliable references from good linguistic resources in order to mention it as a language. Kurdali is listed on Glottolog as a dilaect of Southern Kurdish, Glottolog is a more realible source and we should list Kurdali in this page as a dialect of Southern Kurdish, aslo in its main article. Serchia (talk) 20:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Glottolog is not a RS for dialects. They copied over LingList wholesale, and that was put together by students who probably knew less than you or I do. Many of the dialects are spurious, or are under the wrong languages. Glottolog has started its own research on dialects for the past few years -- you'll see that here and there -- but they've barely gotten started. — kwami (talk) 21:16, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami:The claim from the Atlas is also based on the student papers. I find a table in this book (Nationalism, Language, and Muslim Exceptionalism), and Kordali is listed as a dialect of Southern Kurdish. Ethnologue also listed it as a dialect of Southern Kurdish. So, a better way here is to list it as a Southern Kurdish dialect, as there are more sources to prove that. Serchia (talk) 20:58, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

It's quite common for a 'dialect' of a language to prove to be distinct. When that happens, you can always find older sources that call it a dialect. The question is whether the source finding it a distinct language is reliable, not how many old sources you can tally that call it a dialect. — kwami (talk) 21:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 February 2022

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زبان کوردی یک گویش نیست!یک زبان مستقل است

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:15, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Map wars

Although a couple of you made edits leading up to the war regarding the deletion of a map before it became a war, I'm pinging all of you here just in case: Ayıntaplı, Serchia, Semsûrî, Paradise Chronicle, see WP:Edit warring. Largoplazo (talk) 10:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yeah thanks. Well I explained my rationale in my edit summary before it became a war and have now added the original map. I hope this helps a bit. The coloring could be upgraded a bit, though but I do not know how this is done. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't see this as something of great caution. Almost all edits had distinct reasons, and there was no deadlock due to disagreement. Semsûrî restored the original version of the map, which my main concern addressed. So, it was solved. There may be other aspects of the map that may be discussed, though. Ayıntaplı (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semsûrî, What are the problems of the map that you think solved by revert to on older version? Serchia (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

You really can't see the issue here? Changing the map without a reliable reference is Wikipedia:OR. Semsûrî (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

If the current map (which is referenced) has issues, the map shouldn't be used either. Semsûrî (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2022

The Kurdish language map was updated recently and for some reason the colors were changed. We need to manually update the colors on the map legend on every page that contains the map 195.169.52.91 (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: A cursory glance at the map shows that it's functional, so a determination on the specific colors to use would be a consensus issue. Furthermore, edit requests require you state what needs to change specifically. In other words, you'd have to present all of the necessary template parameters to change the colors to the desired version. I would simply advise you bring up this topic on all of the appropriate article talk pages instead of using edit requests. —Sirdog (talk) 05:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2022

Hello, I suggest this edit: In the section of where this language is official please remove that is official only in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq, when is official in ALL Iraq. 186.3.232.209 (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, the infobox already says that the language is official in Iraq. What is the text that you want to change? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

why persian dialect has a language page on wikipedia

What does a dialect that has not been the mother tongue of any state throughout history, is not found in written sources, and has no speakers before the 20th century, on Wikipedia? Royroy23 (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

The correct thing is to write the parts on this page in the Persian dialects section. Royroy23 (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

What dialect are you talking about? Surely you aren't talking about Kurdish, which, according to the very first sentence of the History section, was written over 1000 years ago. And why do you think a language has to have been the "mother tongue of any state" (see Yiddish or Hmong language) or has to be written (see Bagvalal language or Gweno language) or has to have been spoken before the 20th century (see Lingala or Esperanto) for there to be an article about it? Largoplazo (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Just ignore the editor. They clearly have an anti-Kurdish POV per their edits on Wikipedia. Semsûrî (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 July 2023

Adding the important fact that many kurdish languages are not mutually intelligible, which was missing from the lead.

In the lead, replace:

Kurdish constitutes a dialect continuum

With:

Kurdish languages constitutes a dialect continuum many of which are not Mutually intelligible (citing this source: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=JZ6JAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA27) 156.208.108.3 (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cherrell410 (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

First attested text in kurdish?

I see some discussions about early kurdish texts but i never see the earlist text itself and date of it. Was is it kurmanji? I couldn't find a date for proto kurdish in academical papers in that matter. It is also missing in wiki page "List of languages by first written accounts". Can someone fill this gap without any nationalist non-sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.251.63.42 (talk) 10:05, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I found info in cambridge history of kurds page 613. It says first proper kurdish text is 4 short lines in christian missionary prayer.ISBN 978-1-108-47335-4 I hope an editor would enter this important info in the article.i am copying from the book:

The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b –see Asatrian, 2009: 15). Th

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.38.157.239 (talk) 18:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

• What I think should be changed:

History tab

• Why it should be changed:

History tab begins with highly controversal sources. Stating first attested kurdish texts is from 9 to 13th centuries. First attested kurdish text is from 14th century. It is four short lines from a prayer. First attested text iand its date is very important for all languages. History section needs to start with this info and controversal topics should follow it as an additional info if wont be removed at all. Please also refer to talk page.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

p613: The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b –see Asatrian, 2009: 15). 109.38.157.239 (talk) 19:14, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

References

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. This is clearly controversial. Should be resolved by talk page discussion. I'll note that the other source is also form a reputable publisher. Without context as to what each source is reporting, I'm not able to figure out whether this is a legitimate conflict between sources or if the two sources are reporting different things RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:23, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

First reference is to a so called Ibn-Waḥšīya book. If you check article of Ibn-Waḥšīya in wikipedia you can find that this book is falsified in later influence section. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Wahshiyya

Second reference is to Yazidi Black Book whose authenticity is also questioned and mentioned in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidi_Black_Book

First actual attested Kurdish that we can rely on is stated in Cambridge History of Kurds. 84.29.122.234 (talk) 08:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Lightoil (talk) 12:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any objections to the change request. Isn't consensus already achieved? 109.36.128.125 (talk) 11:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. @84.29.122.234, do not reopen this edit request as you did here without providing proper citations and gaining consensus for the changes you wish to make. Xan747 (talk) 00:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

There is consensus on this change. What else do you expect? There is no objections at all. 2001:1C03:5800:8600:8DFF:C60D:7B71:CF7C (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Souther kurdish is as important as other dialects

In the map showing the kurdish language, by the colors it’s written the type of kurdish languages but not souther kurdish, its just written kurmanji as pink, and sorani as red, while southern kurdish is brown but it didn’t say that under the map 2001:8F8:1B27:415B:D180:CAA4:544C:BB4F (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2023

• What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

First paragraph in the history tab should be deleted: During his stay in Damascus, historian Ibn Wahshiyya came across two books on agriculture written in Kurdish, one on the culture of the vine and the palm tree, and the other on water and the means of finding it out in unknown ground. He translated both from Kurdish into Arabic in the early 9th century AD.

Instead we need to add: The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b)

Beginning of second paragraph: Among the earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book, the sacred book of Yazidi faith.

Should be changed as: Possible earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book whose authenticity is questioned and believed to be a fusion of authentic Yazidi traditions and beliefs with Western forgeries.

• Why it should be changed:

First paragraph is referring to a book "Ancient Alphabets and Hieroglyphic Characters Explained" by Ibn Wahshiyya. But it is falsely attributed to him as discussed in Later influence section in Ibn Wahshiyya. It is forgery or not a reliable source at best.

Yazidi Black book is also not a reliable source as discussed in the first paragraph of Yazidi Black Book.

I am simply trying to have consistency among referred wikipedia pages. We have already consensus on the content and sources on those pages. We also have a section in talk page on this topic. No objection is raised for nearly two years.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

I am adding source for the first proper text in Kurdish below. It is in page 613.

84.29.122.234 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

References

84.29.122.234 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

On hold Source cannot be checked, can you provide a link for that or just wait for the peer-review? -Lemonaka 21:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Partly done: Verified the statement about the Christian prayer from an offline copy; adding it now. I'm not yet adding any content about the Yazidi Black Book as the citations in that article are from tertiary sources, which should be avoided in favor of secondary sources. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for checking the source. I am asking to remove parts referring to Ibn Wahshiyya and Yazidi Black Book. They have been discussed more in detail in their wiki pages and falsified. I can provide more reliable sources that never mentions about these two. You can check https://iranicaonline.org/articles/kurdish-language-i quickly and see in the very first paragraph that Kurdish texts goes no earlier than 16th century. Reliable academic books states Kurdish poems from 15th and 16th centuries are the first Kurdish texts in history. 84.29.122.234 (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Spintendo  05:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Kurdish speakers

Kurdish speaker are more than this couse many people are starting to learn the language plus some kurds now have rights to learn their language especialy northren kurdistan people just started to have more edaction about it couse back on the day kurdis was banned and also it was dangrous to many to speak it so please fix this Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 00:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

You haven't said why you think the numbers shown don't include those people. You also haven't identified for us, if the numbers shown don't include those people, where we can find numbers that do include those people. Largoplazo (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh i mean this one is from 2020 and today is 2024 it make sense that there are more people learning kurdish plus more than 20 millions kurds live in turkey how native speakers is 25 when also in iraq kurds are 7 millions these two countries must have atleast 27 million speakers and kurds are native two those two countries plus iran and syria and there are some mistakes its not called kurdish languages but dialects and you forget some more like luri bakhtiyari hawrami laki and kalhuri there are more but i forget if i got more information i may tell more dialects couse oh boy we have too many dialects Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 10:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

More countries recognise kurdish language

You forget georgia sweden and thee maby more recognise it as a minority language Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Not that I can find. Are you able to provide any sources? Krqftan (talk) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/090120241 is this one enough cause if not I will find another one Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Phonology, Grammar and Writing system sections are empty?

Why are these sections empty? Most language articles have a short summary of their language's phonology, grammar and writing system, but for some reason in the Kurdish Languages article it's completely empty? Silveratractic (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

They're not empty, they redirect to their own Wiki pages. There is a blue text under each title. Krqftan (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

There should be a summary of the phonlogy, grammar and writing system under each section. Although the redirects are useful, it's not meant to replace all the text in each respective sections. Silveratractic (talk) 20:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Font?

This is not related to the language but, what is name of the font of Sorani letters? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdish_Language.svg

-Luke 70.162.148.16 (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think the font is "Nizar Nastaliq Kurdish", which is nastaliq. It is better to ask the png version uploader directly. ⇒ AramTalk 14:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 15 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved Kurdish languages to Kurdish language. There is consensus to treat the Kurdish language the same way as other languages in a similar situation and use the singular. There is no consensus to move it to the basename "Kurdish" due to possible ambiguity with other articles mentioned at Kurdish. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:31, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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• Kurdish languages → ?
• Kurdish → Kurdish (disambiguation)Kurdish (disambiguation)

– The title of this article could be either "Kurdish Language," aligning with the naming convention of other Wikipedia articles discussing "macro" languages or languages forming a dialect continuum, such as "Norwegian Language" or "Chinese Language," which are in a similar situation to Kurdish. Alternatively, we may consider simplifying it to just "Kurdish," similar to the "Arabic" Wikipedia article, thereby sidestepping any contentious debates and maintaining a neutral stance. It seems unjustified for Kurdish to be the only article labeled with "Languages" when there is no consensus on whether it comprises multiple related languages or a single language with various dialects. Kurdian (talk) 00:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:44, 22 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:04, 2 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose given that Kurdish (Kurmanci) and Kurdish (Sorani) are distinguished on multiple apps and softwares (not least Google translate) as well as in scholarship, keeping languages plural is helpful. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Besides which Kurmanci and Sorani are clearly more different than Danish and Norwegian for example, so leave it as plural. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand your point. Norwegian (Bokmål and Nynorsk) and Chinese languages like Mandarin and Cantonese are often treated separately in software as well.

Regarding dialect differences, Sorani and Kurmanji are no more distinct than Mandarin and Cantonese, or various Arabic languages. Kurdian (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

The main reason for this is that they are under the rule of separate states and use separate alphabets. Neribij (talk) 07:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose since I don't believe "Chinese language" should be the page title either. It has a redirect so I'm not concerned about people finding the page. "Kurdish languages" is more accurate to the linguistic categorization through mutual intelligibility. "Kurdish" is too ambiguous (Kurdish people, etc.) to be a title. If there is a sociolinguistic component of Kurdish that is important to it being considered a single language, then would reconsider my position._{too_much} curiosity (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Support per WP:COMMONNAME (see below). _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 07:34, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Support "Kurdish language" per WP:COMMONNAME (see below). Oppose "Kurdish" per Aintabli's comment and insights on usage of the term. _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to comment that there are currently discussions about merging the "Chinese language" page with others since it is inaccurate. _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 19:05, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The problem is, there is no agreement among linguists on whether Kurdish is one language or multiple, and that's why the article's name being in the plural is a bit puzzling. I would argue that the majority of sources view it as a single language with multiple dialects. Although there is ongoing debate on the topic, the term "Kurdish Language" is still more commonly used. Even official documents, such as the constitution of Iraq – the sole country where Kurdish holds official language status – treat it as a single language. Additionally, most Kurds typically call their language "Kurdish/kurdi". The view of Kurdish as a single entity is important to Kurds because of historical factors like foreign rule, geographic divisions, and restrictions imposed by external powers, leading to non-mutual intelligibility and the use of different scripts among Kurdish varieties. Kurdian (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

As a Kurd, I prefer to put "Kurdish language" because the language consists of several terms that are all related to each other and form a Language. Zamand Karim (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't say which one is right choice, but I see Kurdish as one language and I have never said "Kurdish languages". The title of this article in Kurdish Wikipedias: ku, ckb, diq and sdh (even in Arabic Wikipedia "اللغة الكردية" not "اللغات الكردية") is written singularly, not plural. I don't know if this is the same for native-English speakers. ⇒ AramTalk 18:24, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Some very good points. Changing to support due to WP:COMMONNAME. While the "dialects" are not mutually intelligible, and may be classified as different languages, if the common usage is "Kurdish language", it makes sense to change the title. And, yes, there is no "Arabic languages" page or "Scandinavian language" (Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish are all somewhat mutually intelligible) page, so titles aren't really driven by linguistic criteria anyway. That being said, I think the lede sentence must be: "The Kurdish language, or Kurdish languages, ..." (both should be highlighted in bold) to emphasize the mutual intelligibility criteria typically used to distinguish languages. _{too_much} curiosity (talk) 07:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Kurdistan has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Languages has been notified of this discussion. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:45, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Support "Kurdish" per nom, no need splitting hairs here. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom especially in terms of ending future contentious debates. Semsûrî (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Support "Kurdish" per nom, following the Arabic example, which actually consists of at least 6 major mutually unintelligible languages with different language codes. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 06:59, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Very strong oppose "Kurdish" (the choice that omits "language"). The example of Arabic does not apply here, because "Arabic" is not used for the people, culture, or anything that is not the language. It "only" designates the language. "Kurdish" is used for many concepts in addition to language. This choice contradicts Wikipedia's simplest guidelines. No comment on the other options. Aintabli (talk) 21:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Cantonese. Largoplazo (talk) 01:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Italian language, Turkish language, Persian language, Swedish language, Danish language, Azerbaijani language, and so on. Please see WP:NCDAB. Aintabli (talk) 03:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Why did you provide that list of article titles? I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Surely you're aware that demonstrating that "X" exists doesn't demonstrate that "not X" doesn't exist. Fallacies 101. Largoplazo (talk) 12:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

It was in the same format as your comment, which makes your response somewhat ironic. Surely, I did not state that "X exists and !X doesn't exist" anywhere. That link is not a policy. If your point was that titles omitting "language" can be used despite the term being used for many other concepts, I haven't checked if the title of Cantonese is currently policy-based, and if it was, it was so probably because of WP:COMMONNAME. Here , you can see that "Kurdish", unlike "Cantonese", is sharply different in the distribution of contexts it is used within. Aintabli (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom for Kurdish. Used unqualified it is clear enough that it describes the language(s). --عُثمان (talk) 19:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose a move to plain Kurdish. No opinion on language(s). Srnec (talk) 19:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relist, after adding a proposal to move Kurdish to Kurdish (disambiguation) per requirement that any other page that must be moved should be notified and included in the move request. Note this doesn't preclude this discussion finding a consensus to move Kurdish languages somewhere other than Kurdish, in which case the disambiguation page would not need to be moved. BilledMammal (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Support I completely agree with what you've stated. Krqftan (talk) 07:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support move to Kurdish. Oppose move to "Kurdish language". Despite it likely being the common name, it's a controversial one that can be avoided. FunLater (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2024

add references:

Sheyholislami, Jaffer, Hassanpour, Amir, and Skutnabb-Kangas, Tove. 2012. The Kurdish Linguistic Landscape:

Vitality, Linguicide and Resistance. Special issue of International Journal of the Sociology of Language, 2917(2012). Jaffersh (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Its unclear where in the text you want these reference to be added. Jamedeus (talk) 00:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

The claim that Kurdish is not mutually intelligible?

I’m not here to disturb the page or add any, I’m just curious as to why the Kurdish dialects are considered not intelligible? From my understanding and experience, I understand a Kurmanji, Hewrami, Laki and Zazaki way more than Persian, which to me personally sounds like gibberish and not close to Kurdish at all (This was my experience with Shirazi and Gilan Persian)

Other than my rant above, I just want to know why this is included because it is still debated whether Kurdish dialects are dialects or languages (most people who argue the latter usually have an anti-kurdish POV based on experience) Volkish Kurden (talk) 23:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

If reliable sources say they're not mutually intelligible, Wikipedia should say they're not mutually intelligible. FunLater (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024

The claim that Kurdish varieties constitutes a dialect continuum, many of which are not mutually intelligible is a bit misleading since the two main dialects of Kurdish, Sorani and Kurmanji, are often considered to be mutually intelligible, or at least partially mutually intelligible

Still, the level of mutual intelligibility among Kurdish dialects is a matter of dispute, so I think it's best to remain neutral here. Therefore, I would suggest making these changes or something similar.

−

Kurdish varieties constitutes a dialect continuum many of which are not [[Mutually intelligible]]

+

Kurdish varieties constitute a dialect continuum

−

Kurdish varieties are divided into three or four groups, which are not mutually intelligible without acquired bilingualism

+

Kurdish varieties are divided into three or four groups, with varying degrees of mutual intelligibility

Akam Nawzad (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Partly done FunLater (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Kurdish is a single language

kurdish is not a language group where do you even get this idea like we always say its kurdish language not languages yes we sometimes have misunderstand each other or never know what the other person talk about but that happen in all languages even in english arabic spanish and other languages this happen to british and americans when speaking english they never understand what the other says or scotts and english people never understand eachother Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 08:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Good point.

I changed it to say "Kurdish is a language or a group of languages". Some say that Kurdish is one language (like Encyclopædia Iranica and Encyclopædia Britannica). Others say they're multiple languages (see ). And also Northern, Central, and Southern Kurdish have different ISO language codes (https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/kur). I think it's important to mention that there is no agreement on if Kurdish is one language or more.

@Stephan rostie, could you please not revert my edits this time without consensus to do so? Because:

• the title of the page was changed to language, singular, not long ago and there was consensus to do so.
• stable versions of the page used to describe Kurdish as "a language or a group of languages".
• many (if not most) reliable sources (including Encyclopædia Iranica) consider Kurdish to be a single language.

FunLater (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah but shouln`t wikipedia not be from some say and some not couse that is what i was told in kurdish papulation article however about this topic all kurds say kurdish language not languages and yes there are diffreneces as you said but please now that this diffrences make them dalects not languages never heard kurdish languages only in here so that is why i think we should go with the most reliable sources and the single language is more reliable Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 16:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

As all teachers say kurdish language not languages and that is also important Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

The rule on Wikipedia for this is here: WP:WEIGHT.

WP:WEIGHT says "The relative prominence of each viewpoint among Wikipedia editors or the general public is irrelevant and should not be considered." Only what reliable sources say matters. FunLater (talk) 16:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Buddy this is exactly what i said you just made it shorter well done anyway Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I know our converastion was a long tim ago but is the krg goverment also a reliable source couse it itself says that its kurdish language not languages Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Colour-blind friendly maps

Would it be possible to use a colourblind-friendly map? 2A02:8108:48BF:E460:E97B:C826:A3D9:E433 (talk) 11:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)