Talk:Kilbride Castle

Errors in article.

There is no contemporary evidence or later evidence identifying that Walter the Steward received any castle. They did receive the lands. Indeed, as with most other Comyn properties, the likelihood is that any previous castle had been slighted prior to the grant. I have correct the mis-statement. Also, while the site close to Mains Castle may be Kilbride Castle, there is actually no evidence at all for this, and other candidate sites are known. Therefore I have augmented the semantics so that it relates to the more certain Comyn Castle, which may or may not have occupied the same site as the Valogne's Castle of Kilbride. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Further to the last comment, the statement about Mains Castle being built when Kilbride Castle fell into disrepair has been removed because there is no evidence pointing to the Comyn Castle being in existence in or up to that period. It falls off the records in the early 1300s. The previous article assumed that an older castle continued to stand on the spot. This has been augmented to read as Mains Castle was erected nearby. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 22:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Significant errors in article

This article on Kilbride Castle suffers from numerous errors born from unfamiliarity with source material and reliance on spurious or confused information, often assumptions, contained in antiquarian literature. For example, the charter translation taken from the antiquarian journal is incorrect; the site of Kilbride Castle is in no way certainly that at Laigh Mains, and one cannot say that Roger de Valognes was the first Lord of Kilbride. The article also contains a lot of broader filler content that is not relevant to a pertinent article on Kilbride Castle. It also appears that the main editor of this Wiki article has removed a number of correct additions by earlier editors of the article who are far more familiar with the site and its historical sources. These include scholars of archaeology and history based in and near East Kilbride. Elements about Roger de Valognes claim to the church are also confused. The article contains far too many bold assertions of fact based upon assumption by the editor and traditionary sources, and there is an altogether over-reliance on D. Ure (1793), whose awareness of historical matters in Kilbride was relatively limited. For example, archaeology strongly disputes that the ashlar of the present Mains Castle is the stone recovered from Kilbride Castle. This owes to aspects of its ashlar shaping and the difference in the geological source. Charter evidence also challenges that the Laigh Mains site is the earliest Kilbride Castle, although it may indeed be the Comyn Castle. It is suggested that the frequent editor of this Wiki article takes more care to form an article which the good people of East Kilbride will recognise as their authentic Medieval history, instead of parroting long condemned antiquarian accounts, and the wider history of Valognes and Comyns in Scotland. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 02:36, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Further to the above, the editor has conflated the establishment of Lindsay possession in the 1380s with the building of Mains Castle (significantly later), and also omits the resident Lords of Kilbride Castle at that time, who were Stewarts, not Lindsays who simply acquired old lands linked to the Lordship. The lords prior to the Lindsay succession are also missing (several are recorded) Again, extensive factual revision needed, with close reference to authentic sources. Otherwise the article is almost as good a fantasy in its current form. 82.43.88.129 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)