Talk:Kiddush

Do It Yourself article?

I feel this reads like a "do it yourself" article rather than an encyclopedia article. I also wonder how necessary it is to include the full text of all the different forms of kiddush. How is this going to be of benefit to net surfers, especially non-Jews? Yoninah 15:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree the full text can go to Wikisource. JFW | T@lk 20:19, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

How do you do that? Yoninah 21:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, probably manually to Wikisource. To go the official way would take a while, see Wikipedia:Transwiki log. JFW | T@lk 21:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Kiddush sephardi

This shows just the ashkenazies ones, sephardi exists — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.74.111.178 (talk) 16:09, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Kiddush Levanah (moon blessing)

Nothing on this? I know it's a rich subject, filled with controversy. It is also an example of when Jews do something that they normally wouldn't, just to not be like "pagans": face one way, then turn another "because we don't pray to the moon," and many people make a conscious decision not to do it at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.203.175.175 (talk • contribs)

That's not relevant to this article. Kiddush Levanah (more technically Birkat HaLevana) has nothing to do with the Kiddush that delineates the sanctification of holy days. It should probably have it's own article, though. Also, since when is it filled with controversy? It's pretty established in normative Orthodox practice, and I've never heard of anyone going out of their way to avoid saying it. --DLand^TALK 21:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In contrast, many went out of their way to say it! There's nothing wrong with it as long as one does not give the impression its the moon that's being prayed to. JFW | T@lk 00:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)\

Hebrew and English phonetic Kiddush

It would be nice to have the Hebrew directly and as phonetic available, if someone would please be kind enough to add them.

Origin of Kiddush

Where is the text of the kiddush coming from? Who wrote it? When? These are important issues for an encyclopedia. Regards, --89.139.33.119 (talk) 17:34, 17 January 2009 (UTC)G.L.

English translation of Friday night kiddush

i've made a couple of changes to this. firstly, i've changed to 'Permit me, my friends' as that matches the hebrew text. the previous english version is actually more normal/common but it didn't match the hebrew version on this page.

secondly, i've changed to 'a day pre-eminent among sacred occasions which commemorates the Exodus...' as the original translation was sufficiently poor, in my view, that it had the wrong meaning. it also didn't make much sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.198 (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

well i changed it back. the hebrew version is supposed to be סברי מרנו רבנן ורבותיwhich matches the translation secondly the translation had the right meaning. כי יום זה תחילה למקראה קודש, זכר ליציאת מצרים doesn't mean that it is a commemoration to the exodus rather that it preceded the even the sacred occasion of the departure from egypt.--Marbehtorah-marbehchaim (talk) 16:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

i really can't agree with the transalation 'a day preceding even those sacred occasions commemorating the Exodus from Egypt'. i have looked in the one siddur i have handy and several places online and they all indicate that a better translation would be something like 'the first amongst holy festivals, a remembrance of coming out of egypt'.

the chabad website (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/95896/jewish/Kiddush-Friday-Night-Meal.htm) renders it as 'It is the first of the holy festivals, commemorating the exodus from Egypt.'

the orthodox union website (http://www.ou.org/chagim/shabbat/remember.htm) has: 'For Shabbat is the first of the holidays, which are remembrances of the Exodus from Egypt.'

the aish site (http://image.aish.com/misc/kiddush-pm.pdf) has: 'It is the foremost day of the holy festivals marking the Exodus from Egypt.'

jewish heritage online magazine (http://jhom.com/topics/wine/kiddush.htm) has: 'For the Sabbath is the first of the holidays, a remembrance of the Exodus from Egypt.'

since i have consulted such excellent sources, i trust that i have not been presumptuous in amending the translation again. if anyone wishes to amend this further, would they please demonstrate support for their position by citing a reliable corroborative source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.109.198 (talk) 16:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Eucharist

The article should maybe examine whether there are any potential historical links with the Christian ritual of the Eucharist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.68.154 (talk) 08:32, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Kiddush reciting

There is no kiddush for Bar or Bat Mitzva. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.151.39.58 (talk) 12:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

@213.151.39.58 I know this is an old statement but for anyone else wondering, the kiddush mentioned in the article is the food served after the Sat morning services in which the the bar/bat mitzvah is conducted. Shana3980 (talk) 04:27, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Never actually says what Kiddush is

The only definition of Kiddush is that it means "Holy" in Aramaic. Then later you mention occasions when it is "recited." There's text given later in the article. So, I assume that Kiddush is a blessing or prayer. Is this right? Isn't this article intended for readers like me who don't already know what Kiddush is? If so, you should define or explain it at the beginning. Ileanadu (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

This was due to some unreverted vandalism, which I've fixed. Graham87 03:11, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Merge proposal

I propose merging Borei Pri HaGafen into Kiddush. AFAIK, the latter is indeed the blessing itself as well as the oneg (small gathering with food). Andre🚐 02:07, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

These are two completely different articles. Kiddush deals with a mitzvah that is practiced on Shabbats and holidays, and Borei Pri HaGafen is a blessing that is said every day. TheRabbi613 (talk) 21:57, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

There is no doubt that both need to be worked on and expanded. But they must not be Merge. TheRabbi613 (talk) 21:58, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

I believe Kiddush is also the term for the prayer not just the ceremony. Andre🚐 23:33, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support. There is no need for a standalone page per WP:NOPAGE. Longhornsg (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose, the topics being sufficiently dissimlar to warrant a merge, Kiddush being a blessing to sanctify Shabbat, that just happens to be done over wine, while Borei Pri HaGafen is a specific blessing of wine done at other times. So, while the latter article is short, it doesn't benefit from the context of Shabbat; in fact, to merge would mislead readers. If an alternative to deletion was really thought to be needed then a merge to List of Jewish prayers and blessings#Blessing prior to food, where it is already tabulated, would be better. Klbrain (talk) 12:10, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Closing with no merge, given that there is no consensus and the discussion is stale. Please nominate through the new AfD process if you'd like to make a new merge case. Klbrain (talk) 18:55, 18 July 2026 (UTC)

FWIW, your understanding isn't correct as far as I know. Borei Pri HaGafen is the Kiddush prayer, which is done over the wine. They are not two separate things. Kiddush refers to the event as well as the blessing, and also the kiddush cup, but Borei Pri HaGafen is merely a transliteration of the words in the Kiddush prayer. The context of Shabbat is not misleading as it is a primary weekly time that the prayer/ritual are done. Also, you shouldn't oppose a merge and also close the discussion saying there's no consensus. Not a huge deal in this case, but, I don't agree with the proposed list merge target. The blessing over food and the blessing over wine are indeed different. Andre🚐 19:54, 18 July 2026 (UTC)