Talk:Khowar

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This article should be cleaned up as half of the content is not about the Khowar language in general but about a certain Khowar author. The information about Mr.Rahmat Aziz Chitrali should be on a separate page dedicted to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.240.137.140 (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2006‎ (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2015

Please remove incorrect sentence

The Norwegian Linguist Georg Morgenstierne wrote that Chitral is the area of the greatest linguistic diversity in the world. Although Khowar is the predominant language of Chitral, more than ten other languages are spoken here. These include Kalasha-mondr, Palula, Dameli, Gawar-Bati, Nuristani, Yidgha, Burushaski, Gojri, Wakhi, Kyrgyz , and Pashto. Since many of these languages have no written form, letters are usually written in Urdu, Pakistan's national language. Khowar is designated as one of 14 regional languages of Chitral, Pakistan.

It is not about khowar language and khowar has only loanwords of persian language. Sminthopsis247 (talk) 09:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Wait a second. Aren't you the blocked User:Compassionate247? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:07, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm supposing the answer is Yes. Despite that, I agree with the observation. In this article, the paragraph is mostly a digression, and it is already also located where it (assuming it's true and verifiable) belongs, at Chitral District#Languages. I would replace it and the following paragraph with something like (again, subject to truth and verifiability) "Khowar is the predominant language of Chitral, and one of the 14 designated regional languages there." I'd do it myself but under the circumstances I wanted to get feedback first. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:27, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

No replies, so I took care of it as I felt appropriate. —Largo Plazo (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Do not replace Punjabi with Kalasha .....Farooq balti

@ Farooq balti I think you lack clarity about what is written in the article. Let me explain. Its written First; Khowar is a Dardic language (Need less to mention that Dardic languages include kalasha language as well). Second Dardic languages are separate group but has strong influences from neighbouring Indo aryan languages specially Punjabi (but also Sindhi, Pahari etc) . See the linguistic reference already given there which exactly says all this.Now I hope you will not remove Punjabi with Kalasha bcoz Kalasha by default is in the same dardic group just like shina and 20 other languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.210.128 (talk) 17:59, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Actually kashmiri is diffrent from dardic languages and punjabi does not relate to any of dardic languages punjabi language came from india. ( 43.224.236.241 (talk) 05:11, 19 February 2017 (UTC)).

Khowar in India

Khowar language is not spoken in India. There is no official record, I don't find any mention of it anywhere other than Ethnologue site, it is not mentioned by "European Foundation for South Asian Studies" as well as on any gov. of India site. Neither, Ethnologue mentions how it collects data.

We had a similar discussion at Talk:Kho people#November 2019, however it is better to continue it here since it is related to the language only. According to Ethnologue, there were 19,200 Khowar speakers in Jammu and Kashmir in 2000 . Pinging @Uanfala and Kautilya3: for suggestions. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I wanted to chime in to this discussion. I can't locate any independent or reliable on Khowar being spoken in India. There's this book https://books.google.com/books?id=g6q_QgAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions which is a ethnography of the Kho people. What's relevant is the introductory chapter which gives a general overview of the people and language. No where in the text does the book mention any Khowar-speaking people in India. No native Kho seem to exist in India or the text would of mentioned it as it covers the relationship the Chitral region has had with India (among other things). Here's some of the text of the introductory chapter (a few pages aren't available in the preview though so just a heads up) https://books.google.com/books?id=7q9lLQ8QqM8C&pg=PA1&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false I believe the presence of Khowar in India should be considered uncertain until more sources are available.--SlackingViceroy (talk) 19:01, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I think it is doubtful. There would have been Khowar speakers in Jammu and Kashmir (princely state), but mostly in the western Gilgit-Baltistan. I would say, ignore Ethnologue. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Ethnologue can be useful for the primary data that it provides, but that's not always reliable. The 2017 edition (I can't access any recent ones) says there were 19,200 speakers in Jammu and Kashmir in the year 2000. It's not clear where the data has come from, but the year suggests that's not come from the census. And as far as I can see, the 2011 census doesn't list Khowar; Fylindfotberserk mentioned elsewhere that the census label "Dardi" might be it (the figure of 24,965 is certainly compatible with what ethnologue has, but we can't be sure). I've had a look at an earlier census (from 1971), and it does list Khowar speakers, but with a sum total of three, all of them found in Assam. Of course, it could be that there are Khowar speakers who have immigrated more recently, or that there is an old established community who don't give their language name as "Khowar" in the census. A presence of Khowar speakers in Indian Jammu and Kashmir wouldn't be too surpising (there's a very well documented diaspora of Burushaski speakers, for example), but in the absence of solid sources (the standard texts don't mention anything about Khos in India) we're better off ignoring ethnologe and removing the mention. But even if it turns out there are Khowars speakers there after all, there's no need to give that in the infobox: that field is only for the traditional region as well as possibly major diasporas (there is for example a small community over the Afghanistan border in Wakhan, but of course that's too small to mention in the infobox). – Uanfala (talk) 23:15, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

@Kautilya3, Uanfala, and SlackingViceroy: Thanks guys for your inputs. I've removed it from the "Kho people" article. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 21 July 2023

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 22:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Khowar language → Khowar – The "war" in "Khowar" means language, so "Khowar" means "Kho language" (also mentioned in the article); therefore "Khowar language" doesnt make sense it means "Kho language language". AleksiB 1945 (talk) 13:15, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:54, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
• Support, but not per nom. "Khowar" is not ambiguous (cf. Latin, Arabic). —  AjaxSmack  04:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

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