Talk:Kasla

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Photos

All of the photos here have been mis-identified. I think due to my mis-translation of מסרק. The main photo is of Ras Abu 'Ammar according to the caption given in the Palmach archive. The caption for the first photo in the gallery google translates as "back to her horse". The remaining four are of Beit Mahsir. Padres Hana (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The caption for the Ras Abu 'Ammar photo in the Palmach archive refers to it being opposite Beit Jala. Harel 6th Battalion volume 3 album 6/23. Which is why I think it is more authentic.Padres Hana (talk) 15:36, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

The caption for the photo with the jeep doesn't mention Kasla. "back to her horse" Padres Hana (talk) 18:37, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Gallery

The remaining four photos in the gallery are complete misidentifications. No explanation. Many apologies. Moving to Bayt Mahsir. Padres Hana (talk) 20:16, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Kasla = Chesalon?

Ok, lets look at the sources:

• Ganor, Amir; Klein, Eitan (2015-05-04). "Khirbat el-Mitraz" (127). Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

This is about a cave (map ref. 20417/63218; ie here), with remnants from the Roman time, possibly from people hiding during the First Jewish–Roman War(66–73 CE) or Bar Kokhba Revolt (132–136 CE) And the article states: "Evidently, those who sought shelter in this cave were from one of the Jewish settlements close by, perhaps from the nearby settlement of Kesalon. Kesalon is mentioned in a document from Wadi Murabba‘at that dates to the first century CE, attesting to the existence of a Jewish settlement there during this period"

• BUT: it does not states where Kesalon was located
• The Conder 1879(!) articel discuss if Kiriath-jearim was located at Kurid el 'Anah (=Abu Ghosh)
• The Israel Finkelstein et al archeological excavations; Excavations at Kiriath-jearim, 2019: Preliminary Report are also from Abu Ghosh.

So we have two facts: there are remants from the Roman era here, (in the Khirbat el-Mitraz-cave), and Kesalon/Chesalon existed at least in the same era; in the first century CE.

BUT: I fail to see any archeological evidence that Kesalon/Chesalon existed here, at Kasla? (Unlike at Abu Ghosh, where they "have shown that the site flourished in the Iron IIB-C, Hellenistic and Early Roman periods")

Hence, I think we should not mention it in the lead, when, AFAIK, there is zero archeological evidence that Biblical Kesalon/Chesalon was located here. Comments? Huldra (talk) 22:17, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Huldra: I see the identification in a number of better places, such as Tsafrir p103 and Abel (you have it) p299. They don't discuss sub-kilometer precision, but that's true for most localities. Zero^talk 03:00, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Zero0000: Yes, since SWP placed it here, many have said the same. It doesn't change the fact that there have been no (AFAIK) archeological evidence for it, though.

And I think the Conder and Finkelstein refs should go; they are basically about Abu Ghosh, and they do not say that Chesalon was located here, Huldra (talk) 20:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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Kasla, Jerusalem → Kasla – I fail to see any other meaning of 'Kasla' --Altenmann >talk 17:42, 12 September 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 14:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Kasla previously redirected to Keshla. Is there any evidence of this spelling in reliable sources? 162 etc. (talk) 19:38, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
  • There is no spelling Kasla in our Keshla article. I have no idea why the original redirect was created, that is why I retargeted it and requested pagemove instead of hatnote. --Altenmann >talk 21:53, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Since Kasla redirects to Kasla, Jerusalem, this is basically an an uncontroversial technical request. However, a hatnote, per comment by 162 etc. — For the settlement and municipality in Baku, see Keshla — would be advisable. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
  • No reason for hatnote, see my prev answer. --Altenmann >talk 21:53, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

However, the lede sentence of Keshla states, "Keşlə (listen^ⓘ; Кешлә, کشله; also Keshly, Keshlya, Kəşlə, Keşlä, Kešlæ, Kishly, Kishlya, Kishty, Kişli and Kitly) is a settlement and municipality in Baku, Azerbaijan." Taking into account that some of these alternatives, such as Keşlə, Keshlya, Kəşlə, Keşlä or Kešlæ have a similar written form and/or pronunciation, hatnotes atop both Kasla and Keshla, each pointing to the other, seem intuitive. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:58, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "intuitive" in Wikipedia: either it is referenced or not. I have an inclination to delete all this unsourced list altogether, especially Kishty and Kitly, which look like typos to me shatched fromnon-reliable Geonet in the initial drft. There is no need to proliferate confusion in Wikipedia. --Altenmann >talk 01:13, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Yes, alternate names do merit mention (see WP:BOLDALTNAMES), but as with everything on Wikipedia, they must be sourced. 162 etc. (talk) 16:20, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Correct. --Altenmann >talk 22:55, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

Regarding "There is no need to proliferate confusion in Wikipedia", if we have one Wikipedia main title header at "Kasla" (Kasla (Arabic: کسلا) or Kesla was a Palestinian village in the Jerusalem Subdistrict) and another at "Keshla" (Keşlə (listen^ⓘ; Кешлә, کشله; also Keshly, Keshlya, Kəşlə, Keşlä, Kešlæ, Kishly, Kishlya, Kishty, Kişli and Kitly) is a settlement and municipality in Baku, Azerbaijan), both of which are close-sounding or same-sounding transliterations from non-Latin alphabets, then the absence of hatnotes is what would be likely to proliferate confusion. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:54, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Regarding "confusion": I was referring to the laundry list of unreferenced names, specifically mentioning hat Kishty etc. look dubious.

I do disagree with proliferation of hatnotes from typos, which creates clutter, especially on small mobile devices, but I can agree that a single hatnote is harmless. But not when one embellishes Poken with hatnotes:

for anime see Pokan

For a Papuan wheat see pokem

for indonesian tribe see Long Pokun

for videogame tournament ee Pokken

many be you looked for Bokan, no?

for a card game see Poker (after all, r looks almost like n)

for whatever you are looking for but did not find yet, see Boken

For a Telugu song see Santhanam (film)

Oh, you wanted to type Pokemon, but your keyboard stuck

In some languages otong is pokem

Hah! a nice little Otong dab page I have just created. At least something useful came out of this chat  :-)

If you think I am trolling, I have seen something like this. Lately people invented multiparameter {{for}}, but a readability is even worse: try put all the above in one line and find the word you think one may need for long of short memory.

And you you think you my get away with a disambig page, mosdab-gnomes will laugh in your face. --Altenmann >talk 17:36, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree that numerous English Wikipedia entries carry unnecessary hatnotes, especially, indeed, disambiguation page entries with parenthetical qualifiers that, despite those qualifiers, also have hatnotes referring users back to the dab page. There is even a guideline at WP:NAMB that advises against such hatnotes (until today, Keshla carried the non-geographical hatnote For the musical instrument kesle, see gusli.) With that in mind, it still needs to be taken into account that there are various geographical entries, not otherwise disambiguated, which do need hatnotes mentioning similarly-named entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:03, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Palestine has been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 14:55, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The move broke the image map.

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I fixed it by adding "name=Kasla, Jerusalem". The default is the article name, therefore page move broke it. --Altenmann >talk 22:23, 29 September 2025 (UTC)