Talk:Kalderash
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[edit]I think a mention of the Indian origin would suffice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.207.222.130 (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
- Well, they are a subgroup of the Romani people so I think it goes without saying. Kenshin (talk) 14:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
Are the Kalderash criminals
[edit]In a recent British documentary a journalist visited leaders of the Gypsy party which are also the leaders of the Gypsy clans. They did not allow the Kalderash in their party and accused them from committing almost all crimes committed by Gypsies and told that they did not condone crime themselves.
It could be clearly seen that those leaders were rich. While many of their people are very poor. However, in the gypsy slums you could see very much new and big Mercedes driving around. And they were not used to move caravans around. That money had to come somewhere.
In that same documentary members of the Kalderash admitted to be thieves and that it was tradition among the kalderash but they also said that other Gypsies groups also steel to survive. They told they did it because they could not get a job. And they also said that there were no Kalderash in London at that time. However, a Bulgarian gang member told in that same documentary that Bulgarians are the ones that runs the gangs and that they also force Kalderash to pick-pocket and prostitute themselves for them. 82.168.243.40 (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think that you might have missed the point. Those "leaders" that you saw were likely Lovari. It's a caste thing: Lovara look down on Kalderash, Kalderash look down on Sintis, everyone looks down on the gorgio. But there's no reason to specifically associate Kalderash with crime. Heather (talk) 16:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
- I'm honestly not sure where to start. First of all caldarari does not mean copper smiths, it refers to caldare which means pot or cauldron (because they go around selling cauldrons). It's also where you get the word caldera in english, it means cauldron in spanish so there may be a common latin origin. Unless you are out there going from village to village selling pots, you are not a caldarar. And before you say well they work with copper, other copper smiths are not called caldarari and everyone involved in the roma trade of selling pots (doesn't matter if they are copper smiths or not) are called caldarari. It's not a cast as people think of it. Farmers hand down the business to their families, there are places where professions are passed down as tradition in the family, that does not make them a cast. The only reason people are talking about the caldarari cast and not the lautari cast is because their traditional trade and lifestyle actually isolates them from the rest of the roma because it keeps them nomadic. If the other roma look down on the caldarari it's because of their lifestyle (something THEY chose) not because of some strict cast of roma hierarchy. And allot of the roma historical research is filled with nonsese to begin with, people romanticizing things they knew nothing about. Roma studies is a babushka doll of uninformed people citing uninformed people Verycleverusername (talk) 13:36, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- Just a caveat we also use caldera (calderă) not just caldare (căldare), they mean prety much the same thing (both words have multiple meanings) but since it's caldarari (căldărari) not calderari i assume it comes from caldare (căldare)(not sure how inteligible this is for non romanians) Verycleverusername (talk) 14:04, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'm honestly not sure where to start. First of all caldarari does not mean copper smiths, it refers to caldare which means pot or cauldron (because they go around selling cauldrons). It's also where you get the word caldera in english, it means cauldron in spanish so there may be a common latin origin. Unless you are out there going from village to village selling pots, you are not a caldarar. And before you say well they work with copper, other copper smiths are not called caldarari and everyone involved in the roma trade of selling pots (doesn't matter if they are copper smiths or not) are called caldarari. It's not a cast as people think of it. Farmers hand down the business to their families, there are places where professions are passed down as tradition in the family, that does not make them a cast. The only reason people are talking about the caldarari cast and not the lautari cast is because their traditional trade and lifestyle actually isolates them from the rest of the roma because it keeps them nomadic. If the other roma look down on the caldarari it's because of their lifestyle (something THEY chose) not because of some strict cast of roma hierarchy. And allot of the roma historical research is filled with nonsese to begin with, people romanticizing things they knew nothing about. Roma studies is a babushka doll of uninformed people citing uninformed people Verycleverusername (talk) 13:36, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
Cristiano Ronaldo is Kalderash - he's black, has the most typical gipsy lineament and has a Who am I behavior, don't you think, folks!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.73.40.120 (talk) 08:57, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Anton Pann wasn't a Sinti or Roma
[edit]I think this is an absolt wrong information, the writer was of a totally different nationality. Please provide the source information!--80.143.65.224 (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2013 (UTC)