Talk:Kahanism

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 September 2024

Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,[22]

Change to,

Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should adopt Jewish law. Use in line source the Meir interview, it's listed as source 1 in article but working link is at bottom.

Change reason:

The current in line source is the chapter six of kings, Mishnah Torah, which has nothing to do with the original assertion. Technically, you could make reference to Maimonides', "guide for the perplexed" but based on Meir Kahane's interview, listed in article as source 1, source down below, Kahane does not take Maimonides' requirements of a resident alien of Israel nor the rights granted to them.

Maimonides only requiring them follow the 7 noahide laws whereas Kahane requiring them to follow Halacha which is the entirety of religious Jewish law which is supposed to only be binding to Jewish people. Ger toshav being Maimonides' concept and Kahane concept being different based on his interview. Kahane makes it clear he wants Israel to adopt Jewish law, which would make enforcement pretty impossible without first adopting the laws.

https://web.archive.org/web/20020612060815/http://www.kahane.org/meir/interview.htm

RCSCott91 (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC) RCSCott91 (talk) 02:26, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I removed the direct citation to Mishnah Torah. This article needs work, but in the past it has had problems with POV-pushing. I'm not sure that Kahane was consistent on this issue. In "They Must Go", he does (claim to) cite Maimonides on the status of non-Jews in Israel, including for a requirement that they obey the Noahide laws and accept servitude and a total absence of political rights. Zero^talk 03:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

"Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enforce Jewish law, as codified by Maimonides,"

Change to,

"Kahane proposed that the State of Israel should enact his interpretation of Halacha,"

Reason: This falls both in line with his books, his interviews, and is proper verb use since Israel currently does not have Jewish law. It also doesn't make a sweeping statement about Jewish law, which Kahane much more often refers to by the proper term Halacha, the bulk of which being a collective set of legal arguments.

Although, Kahane references Rambam a lot, he references a lot of the sages in his books. Leaving that possible remnant of Kahane's interpretation of Maimonides' from an earlier edit in such an authoritative statement would lead a reader to believe that Maimonides' held those views/rulings.

The below book source, fully covers Kahane 3 options for non-Jews in Israel as an inline source.

https://archive.org/details/uncomfortable-questions-for-comfortable-jews-nodrm
RCSCott91 (talk) 14:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2025

Add Betar US to the list of Kahanist groups, it's described as such in it's own article and that fact should be reflected here LushSahara (talk) 07:00, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 17:09, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Edits of Anxioo

Here Anxioo removed a statement. I support this removal, but or diifferent reason. Anxiioo's edit summary claimed that the seource was wrong. A Wikipedian cannot judge non-fringe sources. If the claim is dubious, we merely explicitely atttribute the claim: "INN wrotre that..." However the removed statemment had a graver problem : the person who added it way too liberally interpreted the blurb of INN, which said "making him ineligible to run for future terms in the Knesset despite his growing popularity and polls showing he would have earned a minimum of 12 seats in the parliament" in an atrticle barely relevant to elections and in which is is unclear what polls are meant. In the context of the elections discussed in wp article at this point the statement is highly doubtful: it is unfathomable that exit poll could have erred 12x. --Altenmann >talk 20:21, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Mistaken

@Theofunny You're mistaken, this is only a claim made by Religious Zionist Arutz 7 which said the party could've gained 12 seats, but no poll from the time shows such a scenario. Axinoo (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Well, the claim was reported in an American newspaper. We leave it at the consciousness of a Pennsilvanian professor, unless you find a ref that disproves the claim. --Altenmann >talk 16:58, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

The paper also cites the poll. Check (4) in the footnotes, it was reported in an Israeli newspaper at that time according to the professor. Theofunny (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Axinoo (talk) 09:16, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Edit request 18 April 2026

Description of suggested change: Remove the slashes around the IPA transcription in the first sentence. I've never seen phonemic slashes used for a non-English word's pronunciation in a non-linguistics related article, plus a transcription is either phonemic or phonetic, not both as it erroneously is here. Wreaderick (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

• Surprised it took this long, but it's  Done now. ZionniThePeruser ^{( talk with me | read up on me )} 16:53, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

  Thanks for noticing after all this time! I really thought such a controversial article's talk page would get more views. I was even a bit worried at first that I might have misformatted my edit request because it took so long. Wreaderick (talk) 16:59, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

  Hey, it got views. I initially tried to respond to your request. I'm just far too uninformed to check what you suggested. That is generally something that usually precludes an edit request (the request must be uncontroversial, unambiguous and specific so that any volunteer can simply read the request and understand why the content is wrong and needs to be changed.) I chose not to decline the request hoping someone more knowledgeable than myself would see it. Slomo666 (talk) 18:18, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

  Hey I should have also noticed this, and forgive me for not having a reliable source; the syllabification of the transcription (marked by the periods) seems wrong to me. I think that most languages start their syllables with the preceding consonant, so [ka.ha'nizm], not [ka.ha'n.izm] as it is currently. Either way depending on how it's syllabified, the stress marker already marks a syllable boundary, so there should only be the stress marker, either in its current location or where the final period is placed now. Thanks! Wreaderick (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2026 (UTC)