Talk:Joseph Workman

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• Thomas J. W. Burgess
• Joseph Workman

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• ... that Thomas J. W. Burgess worked as a clinical assistant under his godfather Joseph Workman, who is considered to be the "Nestor" of Canadian psychiatry?

• Source: For Burgess: "He immediately joined the medical staff of the Asylum for the Insane in Toronto, which was under the direction of his godfather and mentor, the renowned Joseph Workman." "Becoming interested in the study of mental diseases, he acted for over a year as clinical assistant to Dr. Joseph Workman in the Toronto Asylum for the Insane."

For Workman: "In 1885, Joseph [Workman] was described as “the Nestor of Canadian Alienists” by the famous English alienist, Dr. D. Hake Tuke, brother of the Dr. Tuke who visited the [Toronto] Asylum in 1845. This title has been interpreted as meaning the Grand Old Man or the Father of Canadian Psychiatry."

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  • Comment: First double nom. 6-7th time I'm here, please copyedit my articles please, Cheers.

Moved to mainspace by DoNothingEveryday (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

DoNothingEveryday (talk) 03:50, 10 July 2026 (UTC).

• I take, will review in the next 24 hours.--Launchballer 07:38, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

QPQs fine, no problems with Thomas, but I'm tired from copyediting it, and will review Joseph later.--Launchballer 16:38, 10 July 2026 (UTC)

@DoNothingEveryday: Whew, that was a doozy. Both are long and new enough and Earwig's clean. The source on this page says "was described as "the Nestor of Canadian Alienists", [which] has been interpreted as meaning [...] the Father of Canadian Psychiatry", and the hook puts this in wikivoice. The hook, article, and source should all agree.--Launchballer 12:04, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Launchballer, I rectified the issue to make the hook be less assertive and more "considered to be". Also added the interpretation of the Nestor quote in the legacy part of the article. Cheers. DoNothingEveryday (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Launchballer, any updates on the nomination? It's been at least two weeks and I've fixed the issue regarding the vagueness of Workman's title already. Sorry for pinging you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DoNothingEveryday (talk • contribs) 10:02, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

You haven't. The lead now says "he is considered to be the "father of Canadian psychiatry", likening him to the elderly Nestor of Greek mythology", but the body says "Daniel Hack Tuke considered him as the "Nestor of Canadian alienists" at the time, which has been interpreted as meaning "Father" or "Old Mentor" of Canadian psychiatry". The former is cited to two sources, the first of which is offline, and the second of which doesn't contain the word 'father'. Please provide a quote from the former and move it into the body. Also, pings don't work if you don't sign your post.--Launchballer 10:33, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Okay, @Launchballer, I will just change the father thing to Nestor. Possibly less interesting, but more accurate by what it said by the article and book. Also added Tuke's quoting. Found at page 175 of the first volume of the Dictionary of Psychological Medicine Pleases notify me if something's still wrong. Thanks. DoNothingEveryday (talk) 11:12, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Considerably less interesting I'm afraid; you have to know what the word means for it to be interesting and I hadn't heard of it before. I think you should propose a different angle.--Launchballer 11:28, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

I know, @Launchballer, although viewers might be interested on who Nestor is. He is a secondary character in the Iliad who offers advise to the characters. That being said, I might add a technicality here, since the term has been interpreted as "father". I'm adding a alternate phrasing here: ALT0a: that Thomas J. W. Burgess worked as a clinical assistant under his godfather Joseph Workman, who is considered to be the "father" of Canadian psychiatry? Also, I added a link to the offline book "The father of Canadian psychiatry: Joseph Workman". It can be found on Archive.org although I used Z-library to read the book whole. You could find the interpretation of the "Nestor" line in the book at page 69, chapter 8. Let me also know if it is a bit clickbaity of a hook, since it's just an interpretation of a term. DoNothingEveryday (talk) 11:45, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Readers don't tend to click on hooks if they don't understand them. I'm going to call for another reviewer just to check I'm not being unreasonable.--Launchballer 12:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

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