Talk:Joseph Dangerfield
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[edit]I have added deletion tag for lack of notability. There is only one source, and only a few videos available on youtube with low-hundreds of views.--Eezurr (talk) 18:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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Requesting update to outdated career information
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I am the subject of this article. It currently states I am "currently" director of orchestral activities at Coe College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa; I left that position in 2014, and the article doesn't reflect my activities since then. I'd like to propose replacing the biographical text with the following, which also adds information about Ensemble: Périphérie (which I co-founded) and a current project: Joseph Dangerfield (born 1977) is an American composer, pianist, and conductor. He received a BFA from Marshall University (1999), studied composition at Bowling Green State University under Marilyn Shrude and Mikel Kuehn, and earned a PhD in composition from the University of Iowa (2005) under David Gompper. Dangerfield was a Fulbright Scholar to the Russian Federation and the Netherlands (2009–10), serving as composer-in-residence with Ensemble Studio New Music at the Moscow Conservatory and lecturing at the Maastricht Conservatorium. He has also held residencies at the Leighton Studios at the Banff Centre (Alberta, Canada) and at Yaddo. He served as associate professor of music theory and composition and director of orchestral activities at Coe College in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, from 2006 to 2014, and has also served on the faculty of West Virginia University, the University of Florida, and McNeese State University. He is currently an adjunct instructor at West Virginia University and teaches performing arts at Winchester Thurston School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where he resides with his wife, Ami, and their three children. In 2010, Dangerfield co-founded Ensemble: Périphérie with composer Luke Dahn, and serves as the ensemble's co-artistic director and a conductor. Périphérie, dedicated to commissioning and performing new chamber works, made its Carnegie Hall debut in October 2013. Dangerfield's awards include the Aaron Copland Award (2010), the Indianapolis Chamber Symphony's Composition Prize (2010, for Two Vestiges), the Henry and Parker Pelzer Prize for Excellence in Composition (2005), the Young and Emerging Composers Award (2002), and ASCAP Standard Awards. His music has been performed at Carnegie Hall, the Eastman School of Music, Boston Conservatory, the San Francisco New Music Festival, the Moscow Conservatory, the Vienna Konzerthaus, the Conservatoire à rayonnement régional de Paris, and the Conservatorio di Milano, among other venues, and he has conducted in New York, Vienna, and Prague. As of 2026, Dangerfield is completing Cryptidology, a concerto for piano and orchestra inspired by the folklore of his native West Virginia, including the 1967 Mothman sightings in Point Pleasant and the 1897 Zona Heaster Shue case, scheduled to premiere in May 2026 with the Bemidji Symphony Orchestra, conducted by Beverly Everett, with pianist Ann DuHamel as soloist. His music is published by American Concert Editions, with recordings available on Albany Records. Sources:
Thank you for reviewing. Composerchronicler (talk) 15:01, 5 September 2026 (UTC)
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Response: 2026-09-14
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Not done: See WP:NOLLM. Packrat3860 (talk) 01:23, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- This update was written by me. The new career information was written by me, as indicated in the request. I am following the protocol of wikipedia by requesting a non-biased editor to check the provided references. The article has outdated information, and all of the references are from reputable resources, including journals, printed newspapers, and published concert reviews. I had my assistant input most of the information regarding those references. (~2026-49781-18 (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2026 (UTC))
- Are you saying that you are User:Composerchronicler? Whoever that is wrote a trail of comments to themselves over the course of two hours in which they lose track of whether they are the subject or are being instructed by the subject. That is pretty clearly LLM generated. Wikipedia does not accept LLM generated content. Packrat3860 (talk) 02:30, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes. This page was shown to me by a student, recently. I had no idea it existed. It was clearly created a long time ago, as it has some outdated information. I don't know much about html, or how to update, etc., so I hired an assistant to do it. I sent her my current bio, and several sources that would prove the information in the bio per the wikipedia policy that I read. I have no idea what method she used to do so. She later told me that it was "under review," and should be updated soon, given how many reputable sources I had (newspaper articles, Fanfare reviews, Copland House, etc.). I paid her, and she went on her way. It seems she didn't do it correctly. How do I get the information updated? Is that something you can do? ~2026-49781-18 (talk) 10:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- At the risk of oversimplifying, I would say you have three good options.
- Option 1: If you have reliable independent sources about information you want changed, and you have the time to write the prose yourself, you can submit a COI edit request (like this one). It's okay if you don't know how formatting on the wiki works, you can just write up your intended change as plain text and a reviewer can add formatting if they think it's appropriate. I would suggest reading WP:CHANGEXY for a discussion on how to write a specific and actionable change request.
- Option 2: If you have reliable independent sources about the information you want changed but you don't have the time to propose a specific change (or you just don't feel like it, we are all volunteers after all) then you can start a discussion on the talk page for the article (i.e. here) about those sources. Then an editor who comes through later can make updates based on what the sources say. It's best to cite the sources you'd like someone to use in detail, because if you save them the trouble of how to find it they're more likely to pick it up, but again if you don't have the time get into the intricacies of different citation formats you can just put a "raw" link in here and a brief note about what info it has.
- Option 3: If you see something on this page that is wrong and is not attributed to a reliable source (i.e. no inline citation or the source cited doesn't say that) then per Wikipedia's policy of Biographies of Living People you can request that it be removed even if you don't have a source of your own to provide. However this is only for removing content, if there's something you want to add we will need a source. Again, WP:CHANGEXY has a good explanation on how to specify exactly what you want deleted.
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- For all three of these my strong suggestion is not to use AI/LLM tooling for any part of it. A human written draft that is rough or incomplete is generally still usable, and can be improved over time. But if you use an LLM to polish the draft, even if the initial input was yours, an independent editor is likely to reject the change outright. Wikipedia is written by humans and most of us would much rather help an inexperienced human than haggle with a well spoken robot. Packrat3860 (talk) 14:02, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- So, something like this? My bio was rewritten years ago, and I have used it in multiple place, since. A lot of the information is the same, though. I copied the links from the previous references, because they are direct sources, but the hyperlinks did not follow. I'm not sure how to fix that here.
- Joseph Dangerfield has lived and worked professionally in Italy, Germany, Russia, China, Holland, and New York.
- He is the recipient of many awards and recognitions, including the Aaron Copland Award, the Indianapolis Chamber Orchestra's Composition Prize, the Henry and Parker Pelzer Prize for Excellence in Composition, and the Young and Emerging Composers Award. He was a Fulbright Scholar to the Russian Federation and the Netherlands, where he served as composer-in-residence with the Ensemble Studio New Music at the famed Moscow Conservatory, and lectured at Maastricht Conservatorium. He has been a resident in the Leighton Studios of the prestigious Banff Centre in Alberta, Canada, and the Yaddo Colony in New York. Recordings of his works are available on the Albany Records label, and his music is published by American Concert Editions, ADJ New Music, and Murphy Music Press, LLC.
- Over the past several years his creative voice has garnered much attention, with performances of his works throughout the United States and abroad. American presenters include Carnegie Hall, the Eastman School of Music, Boston Conservatory, the San Francisco New Music Festival, and the Society for Electro-Acoustic Music, among others. His instrumental and chamber compositions have also been performed at such international venues as the Moscow Conservatory, the Vienna Konzerthaus, the Conservatoire à rayonnement régional de Paris, the Frankfurter KünstlerKlub, the Conservatorio di Milano, and in Cairo, Egypt.
- Originally trained as a pianist, Dangerfield is also active as a performer and conductor throughout the United States. He has conducted chamber and orchestral concerts of music both new and from the canon in New York, Vienna, and Prague, among other cities, and has served on the faculty of West Virginia University, the University of Florida, McNeese State University, and Coe College. He currently resides in Pittsburgh with his wife, Ami, and their three children, where he teaches at Winchester Thurston School, and is an adjunct for WVU.
- "Dangerfield, Joseph". American Composers Alliance.
- "Young & Emerging Composers". Cleveland Chamber Symphony.
- "The 2019 Program". Alba Music Festival Composition Program.
- 5 Questions to Joseph Dangerfield (composer)". I Care If You Listen. April 2015.
- "Copland House Residency Awards". Copland House.
- "Geometric Etudes (in "Midwest American Piano Project")". Fanfare. Vol. 32, no. 5.
- "Nomina sunt omina (in "Quest")". Fanfare. Vol. 34, no. 5
- "Remnants (in "The Fogg Project")". Fanfare. Vol. 35, no. 3.
- "Wall of Honor choices profiled". Fayette Tribune. July 1, 2013
- Williams, Jeffrey (October 28, 2013). "Ensemble: Périphérie in Review". New York Concert Review.
- "Postcards". ADJ•ective New Music.
- "Valhol". Murphy Music Press.
- "Fame's Bright Sky". Bemidji Symphony Orchestra
- ~2026-49781-18 (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Ok I went through some of these sources. We can't generally use a source that is a profile supplied by you, and the sources that just list your name for a particular award are primary sources which we want to avoid relying on. That leaves a few options.
- There's some sources from "news" articles:
- There's also some good sources from reviews of your work:
- Ensemble: Périphérie in Review
- "Geometric Etudes (in "Midwest American Piano Project")". Fanfare. Vol. 32, no. 5.
- "Nomina sunt omina (in "Quest")". Fanfare. Vol. 34, no. 5
- "Remnants (in "The Fogg Project")". Fanfare. Vol. 35, no. 3.
- The ones available online I can take a look. The ones from Fanfare I am very interested in, but I will need to see if the university near me has a copy I can read. Thank you for providing sources. Packrat3860 (talk) 02:45, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. The sources from ADJective, Murphy Music Press, and American Composers Alliance were to prove that my work is published by those companies. That's all. The Copland House website also lists me as a recipient of that award. I posted it, since someone in the thread at the top of the thread indicated an issue with proving it. ~2026-49855-16 (talk) 12:02, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have done my best to clean up the article with those sources in mind. Packrat3860 (talk) 22:31, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. The sources from ADJective, Murphy Music Press, and American Composers Alliance were to prove that my work is published by those companies. That's all. The Copland House website also lists me as a recipient of that award. I posted it, since someone in the thread at the top of the thread indicated an issue with proving it. ~2026-49855-16 (talk) 12:02, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Yes. This page was shown to me by a student, recently. I had no idea it existed. It was clearly created a long time ago, as it has some outdated information. I don't know much about html, or how to update, etc., so I hired an assistant to do it. I sent her my current bio, and several sources that would prove the information in the bio per the wikipedia policy that I read. I have no idea what method she used to do so. She later told me that it was "under review," and should be updated soon, given how many reputable sources I had (newspaper articles, Fanfare reviews, Copland House, etc.). I paid her, and she went on her way. It seems she didn't do it correctly. How do I get the information updated? Is that something you can do? ~2026-49781-18 (talk) 10:51, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Are you saying that you are User:Composerchronicler? Whoever that is wrote a trail of comments to themselves over the course of two hours in which they lose track of whether they are the subject or are being instructed by the subject. That is pretty clearly LLM generated. Wikipedia does not accept LLM generated content. Packrat3860 (talk) 02:30, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
Significant Cleanup
[edit]Persuant to the conversation above, I have done some major cleanup of this article. I've added sources for most things and removed what I don't have a source for or what does not seem notable. The only remaining claim that really needs a citation is the publisher, which I think is relevant and probably can be sourced, but I have not found one yet. As sourcing is greatly improved, I have also removed the maintenance templates (with the exception of the {{cn}} I added). Packrat3860 (talk) 22:30, 27 September 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you! There are links provided to the granting organizations of the Copland House (for Copland Award), and the Cleveland Chamber Symphony award. I also do not work at WWHS. I work at Winchester Thurston in Pittsburgh and WVU. I'm happy to provide you with copies of my contracts, if that's what you need. ~2026-49855-16 (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you don't currently work at WWHS I can update the bio to reflect that this was true as of 2022. However to add in your current position(s) instead we would need independent secondary sources. Your employment contract is a primary source (and I'm not sure how much your employer would like you publishing it? I don't know if they can actually stop you, but my job would not appreciate it if I did that I think).
- Statements by the award giving body are also not independent sources. They are promoting the award they have given.
- The issue is not that I think these claims are not true, but that Wikipedia wants to trust independent sources with the decision on what is important enough to record. There are of course many employment contracts and many awards and I don't want to make it sound like your achievements are not important (for what little I know of the world of professional music your resume seems quite impressive, and bravo to you for teaching on top of all that), but for Wikipedia coverage by independent secondary sources is the standard. If you can find some that document your awards and your current position then and (unfortunately) only then can we include them. Packrat3860 (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
- I also can provide a professional headshot, with permission to use. ~2026-49855-16 (talk) 12:15, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
- If you'd like to upload a picture you can follow these instructions. I don't know much about the Commons side of things so I apologize that I don't have more guidance to give.
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:First_steps/Uploading_files Packrat3860 (talk) 21:40, 28 September 2026 (UTC)
