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Latest comment: 8 months ago by Sophisticatedevening in topic Deadname

Sources regarding allegations of unfairness

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@HenrikHolen I don't have a problem with leaving out a source supporting USA Powerlifting's position (as long as it's not back to "no credible scientific evidence...") but can you please not accuse me of selectively citing a secondary source? The British Journal of Sports Medicine is a peer-reviewed medical journal, and the article I cited accurately represents the study's findings without bias or commentary. If you want to be thorough in including the source's claims, that transgender women have higher grip strength but a lower vertical leap than cisgender women, that would be acceptable. Thank you. Archon785 (talk) 12:26, 24 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

It was not my intent to accuse you of impropriety, but I hope we can agree that including only the parts of the secondary source which substantiate USA powerlifting's claims and not the parts which appear to contradict them is not best practice. I think in its current state, the paragraph is fine, and I would leave it as is.
Content related to whether or not transgender women have a physiological advantage might be best placed in the "Transgender people in sports" article rather than dedicating a paragraph to it on the page of every trans athlete. HenrikHolen (talk) 13:38, 24 October 2025 (UTC)Reply
I'm fine with how it's currently worded. Just the way it was before, saying there was no credible scientific evidence of an advantage, was not acceptable. Archon785 (talk) 14:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)Reply

Deadname

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Hello, would it at all be appropriate to include her deadname in the article? When she curled, it was pre-transition, so she competed under her dead name, which might make it appropriate to include for encyclopedic purposes. However, I do understand this is a sensitive issue, and don't want to cross any lines. Additionally, it might be helpful to include a link to this article from the disambiguation page that is her deadname, but again, not sure if it's inappropriate or not.-- Earl Andrew - talk 16:42, 2 December 2025 (UTC)Reply

She transitioned in 2015 I believe, and I don't believe she would have met WP:NATHLETE at that time (most of her coverage is from power lifting afterwards and the lawsuit). I would be opposed to including it without more evidence of significant pre-2015 coverage. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 16:50, 2 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
That's fair; she didn't even medal at the World Juniors. What about a link from the dab page? -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)Reply
According to MOS:GENDERID Unless a living transgender or non-binary person was notable under a former name, the former name should not appear in any page (including questions, lists, redirects, disambiguation pages, category names, templates, etc.), even if reliable sourcing exists. So I don't think that would be a good idea either. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 17:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)Reply