Talk:Javier Milei

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 00:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Currently ineligible. I should note that while he is currently on ITN, it is not as a bold link, so the article was technically eligible to be nominated. Actually meeting the DYK requirements is another story.

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Javier Milei in VIVA22.

• ... that in 2023, Javier Milei (pictured) was elected in Argentina, thereby becoming the first libertarian president in world history? Source:
  Fox News:
  https://www.foxnews.com/world/javier-milei-crushes-argentine-left-becomes-worlds-first-libertarian-head-state — "Javier Milei crushes Argentine left, becomes world's first libertarian head of state";
  NBC News:
  https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/meet-javier-milei-argentina-s-next-president-198342213739 — "Who is Javier Milei, Argentina’s president elect? The first libertarian head of state ever elected plans to reconstruct the country’s government";
  Mass media SVTV NEWS by russian libertarian Mikhail Svetov:
  https://twitter.com/svtv_news/status/1726415558176829717
  https://t.me/svtvnews/39563 — Russian: "Маск уверен, что первый в мире президент либертарианец приведет Аргентину к успеху";
  Siergiej Karnawski, Chair of one of Libertarian Parties of Russia:
  https://libertarian-party.ru/posts/e7442aa6-4e34-4a78-b9fc-d6fffe37488d
  https://t.me/lpr_tg/5940
  https://t.me/lpr_tg/5941
  https://www.facebook.com/lpr.fb/posts/pfbid02RXpysNj7BP93WGFeH4KB2b7zryyMhGGjnGcgVodWb8LrbwrnDAEZ9MVR3wQZ19vtl
  https://twitter.com/jeigreis/status/1726483788367016024 — "Today, Javier Milei has won the presidential election in Argentina, becoming history’s first Libertarian President" (Russian: "Сегодня Хавьер Милей одержал победу на выборах президента Аргентины, став первым в истории президентом-либертарианцем");
  Another Libertarian Party of Russia:
  https://twitter.com/lpr_tw/status/1726382631531524161 — Russian: "Хавьер Милей - первый президент-либертарианец в мировой истории"
  https://twitter.com/spblpr/status/1726397625530781981 — Russian: "Сегодня на нашей улице праздник, был избран первый президент либертарианец в Аргентине";

Addition: there was a split in the Libertarian Party of Russia. Today there are two different organizations calling themselves the Libertarian Party of Russia and using the same symbols.
Group of the regional libertarian movement for libertarians located in the territory corresponding to Peter the Great’s borders of the Ingria Province in 1708:
https://vk.com/ingria_libertarian?w=wall-96624146_1677
https://t.me/Ingria_libertarian/2111
https://www.facebook.com/groups/liberty.spb/posts/2658974337585494 — Russian: "Впервые в истории рыночные реформы будет возглавлять президент-либертарианец, и он же будет формировать правительство. До этого либертарианцы только входили в правительства и не были самостоятельны, проводя реформы";
Russian libertarian channel about politics in Latin America by [Yauheni Juma]:
https://t.me/zhyveliberty/2073 — Russian: "Хавьер Милей - первый президент-либертарианец в мировой истории!"

• • ALT1: ... that in 2023, for the first time in world history, a libertarian became the president of the country – Javier Milei (pictured), who won the general democratic elections in Argentina?
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment:
    I do not have permition to edit Javier Milei article, so ask you for adding this fact and its sources:
    Javier Milei is first libertarian president in world history.
    I also created a corresponding topic discussion in Javier Milei talking page: Talk:Javier_Milei#The_first_libertarian_president_in_world_history.

5x expanded by LALKOVED (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Javier Milei; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• The article has not been expanded fivefold on that date, by the nominator or anybody else. The nominator has not even edited the article at all. And with its current size, I would say that a fivefold expansion is plainly impossible to achieve. The only way for this article to make it to DYK would be to be promoted as a good article. Cambalachero (talk) 16:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

US Bailout to Argentina Missing?

I can find no mention of the $40 billion the United States is giving Argentina to stabilize its economy, despite numerous outlets reporting extensively on this:

Is there a specific reason for such an important fact to be missing? ~2025-34602-44 (talk) 02:24, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

More sources:

~2025-34602-44 (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Only the first 20 billion dollar bailout was substantiated, the second 20 billion dollar bailout is an already forgotten promise. Seeing the relative stability of the Argentine economy post midterms, the loan downsized from 20 billion to I think like 5 billion or something. Pipetboy (talk) 17:32, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

Shouldn't we talk about his presidency in the lead?

Per the title. The elections are just one year away, and he's very clearly become an influential figure across Argentina and Latin America as a whole. Writing in the lead what his policies and impact have been should be pretty important if you ask me. KeysofDreams (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Questionable claims about wages and hyperinflation in the lede

Hi Squatch347. You claim that wages have risen above inflation and that Milei avoided hyperinflation. To support this, you cite sources 175, 176, 177, 215, 216, 186, 189, and 190.

Of these sources, only one mentions that wages grew above inflation.

This source. Ignoring the fact that this is a little-known source, this source says that, according to INDEC, the government's statistics agency, wages rose above inflation in 2024. But where is the data for 2025 and 2026? During 2025, wage growth fell short of inflation for that year. And so far in 2026, wage growth has also lagged behind inflation.

Regarding the claim that Milei avoided hyperinflation, looking at the only two sources you mentioned that mention hyperinflation, neither says as a fact that Milei avoided it. The first source says: In his inauguration speech, Milei announced a painful adjustment plan aimed at staving off hyperinflation and warned that the measures would initially have a negative impact on the level of activity, employment, real wages, and the number of poor and indigent people. This source only says that Milei said in a speech that he would take measures to avoid hyperinflation. It does not says as a fact that Milei avoided hyperinflation.

The second source says: "The president indicated, in fact, that between December of this year and February of next year, monthly inflation rates of between 20 and 40% could be recorded, but he assured that he will seek, with the 'shock' fiscal plan announced at the beginning of his term, to avoid hyperinflation of 15,000% annually." Like the previous source, does not says as fact that Milei avoided hyperinflation, but rather that Milei says he is taking measures against a hypothetical hyperinflation, which is a counterfactual thinking.

It is clear that the paragraph, as you intend to maintain it, is inaccurate and presents serious neutrality issues. The wording of the paragraph clearly violates the WP:NPOV policy, since, in addition to the inaccuracies, it is written in a way that makes it seem as if Wikipedia itself is making these claims. Another problematic aspect of the paragraph is that it describes Milei as "successful." Since when does Wikipedia classify a president as successful or unsuccessful? Clearly, the paragraph presents several problems that must be corrected. Esterau16 (talk) 11:55, 25 April 2026 (UTC)

I just want to back up what's being said here. Knowing some Argentines myself, the situation on the ground especially recently doesn't support the government narrative of hyperinflation being avoided. Abated for a time and certainly reduced. However, Argentina especially on goods that have lost government subsidies, hyperinflation is not over AadamentAardvark (talk) 23:56, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Esterau16,

Thank you for your response. You're correct that I noted the wrong citations in my revision. I'll provide the updated ones below.

More to the point, the issue here is that you are editing the lede, and as multiple editors have told you, the lede flows from the body of the article. Simply changing the lede by itself isn't warranted here until and unless you update the body's text first. Please gain consensus here before adding this text.

I address the InfoBae article a bit below. If we add this, we should add in the body and have the lede be the summary of those differing positions. I'd also prefer that we attribute this to InfoBAE directly rather than INDEC since they don't actually link the report and there seem to be some data issues (at least that's my read).

I'm open to altering the lede as well. We could remove the 'hyper'inflation term in favor of the language directly from the sources listed below.

We could also update the real wages section to note that "most sources" rather than making it in wiki voice.

Here is the diff I propose.

There are two points you are attempting to remove from the article.

1) That Milei's actions prevented/ended hyperinflation

We have multiple sources in the body of the article noting that the inflation rate was above 50% (the definition of hyperinflation here on wiki).

• 177: "Argentina's annual inflation rate fell to 117.8 percent in 2024, marking a significant drop of 93.6 points compared to the record 211.4 percent inflation rate of 2023. The sharp decline signals a significant turnaround for Argentina's economy under President Javier Milei."
• 179: "Under Milei's government, inflation has slowed from eye-watering triple-digits though the administration's tough and divisive austerity measures that have fuelled mass protests. It is now looking to ease capital controls. Annual inflation in South America's No. 2 economy had neared 300% early last year but has since come down into double digits and analysts surveyed by the central bank forecast 2025 year-end inflation slowing down to 23.3%.

2) That during this period wages grew faster than inflation (ie real wage growth in the economic sense).

• 188: You can see the graph the increase in real wages from an indexed rate of 80.6 to 82.6. A net growth in real wages
• 190: Real wages in the registered (formal) private sector in Argentina were above the level of September 2023 in November 2024.
• 191: "This allowed family incomes, especially in the lowest income brackets, to grow faster than inflation , leading to a narrowing of the gap between income and the cost of the total basic food basket (CBT). "
• 192: Salaries in Argentina rose by 145.5% in 2024, outpacing the country’s annual inflation rate of 117.8%, according to the National Institute of Statistics and Census (INDEC).
• 205: (This is just a subset of the above data, so double counting) "Argentina’s National Institute of Statistics and Census (INDEC) confirmed that average wages increased 20.7% in the first half of 2025, outpacing the country’s 15.1% inflation rate."

The source you added was from InfoBae. I'm not sure who that is, do you have any background? I think we can presume they are reliable, but there are a few notes on their article that raise red flags. They don't actually link to INDEC's report of data, which I find odd. They are also incorrect on a few of their numbers. For example, they cite 2% wage increase in Dec 25, INDEC had it at 2.4%.

Regardless, we can hedge this language if you have a good proposal. I'll note that other RS are all pretty consistent that real wages grew in 2025, not fell. , Squatch347 (talk) 15:36, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi Squatch347

1. The Wikipedia article defines hyperinflation as a monthly inflation rate of 50%. There was no monthly inflation rate of 50% during any of the months of the president prior to Milei.

2. You don't know what Infobae is? Are you serious? It's one of the leading mass media outlets in Argentina. There are more than 30 sources from Infobae in the entire Milei article. This is like saying you don't know who CNN, NBC, or ABC News are when discussing an article about a US politician. And I didn't just mention Infobae; I also mentioned Perfil, which is another well-known media outlet in Argentina.

3. Neither of the sources you showed mentions that wages grew more than inflation in all 2025 or so far in 2026.

4. It's true that, according to INDEC, inflation has decreased, and i agree with mentioning that.

5. You're citing Wikipedia rules that don't exist. There is no rule stating that you cannot include information in the article's introduction without first including it elsewhere in the article.

6. You are the only one opposing these legitimate changes. If you continue deleting information supported by valid and reliable sources, I will report you for vandalism and edit war. You already have previous blocks for these reasons. Esterau16 (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

I should have been more clear in what I was asking about Infobae. I am well aware that it is a news aggregator. What I meant to ask you, and what I asked in previous usages of that reference relates to what its editorial standard is. We've removed it twice before once because it didn't properly label an editorial and one, as is my concern here, that had factually incorrect information. In both cases we were unable to locate its editorial policy on its website, which is concerning from a WP:RS guideline point of view.

I saw in your most recent reverts you threatened to report myself and another user. Obviously you are free to do so, but I think it would be better if we worked towards consensus here rather than throwing around accusations.

I'd also be curious if the other involved editors, Pipetboy and Soetermans have any input.

Real Wages

I would note that the two additional sources I offered (Statista and Moodys) specifically cover 2025.

I don't mean to be pedantic or insult anyone's intelligence (sorry if it comes off that way), but the term "real wages" specifically means wages when accounting for the inflation rate. See real wages for more info.

• Source 188 is indeed 2024, if we want to update this by year, we should do so, but ideally in the body of the article not in the lede.
• Source 190 does cover 2025, specifically through December. There is a disconnect between the language of the article, which is as of January 2025 and the graphical data, which covers through December and highlights a continued real wage increase, if a significantly smaller one.
• Source 191 only covers through February of 2025, so we can attribute it to 2024 only.
• Ditto for Source 192.
• Source 205 however, is explicitely about 2025 and covers through Q3 of 2025, to whit: "Argentina’s National Institute of Statistics and Census (INDEC) confirmed that average wages increased 20.7% in the first half of 2025, outpacing the country’s 15.1% inflation rate."

For additional sources we could add:

• This is Moody's analysis of the INDEC data that also shows an increase for every month in 2025. https://www.economy.com/argentina/wage-and-salaries
• Per US News and World report, in 2025 the decreasing deflation, and increasing value of the peso provided a wage anchor leading to higher purchasing power (ie real wages increased). https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2026-01-12/argentina-inflation-is-forecast-to-have-ended-2025-at-more-than-seven-year-low-reuters-poll

The Lead

I'm referencing WP:Lead_section for my style and policy guidance here.

Specifically, '...The notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." IE, this is the section we cover the overview of the topic and summarize the article, not where we insert specific subpoints.

I'd also note this sentence, "The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus." You do not have consensus for these additions. By my count three editors have removed your additions or reverted your content removal from the lead section.

Please gain consensus before adding these to the lead again. Squatch347 (talk) 15:07, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Wage growth is dependent on the methodology.

https://milei.ufm.edu/es/monitor-laboral/

This source covers real wages from beginning to end of 2025. However, both the (formal) private & public sectors lacked growth in 2025, yet the general indice still clearly shows year over year growth. The reason for this disconnect is because the informal sector isn't captured by either of the two indices. The Rio Times is a generally reliable source, and it also states that they had experienced a particular surge in wage growth.

That explains why sources that differ Pipetboy (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

@Esterau16, side question. I think you are changing the presidential number from 59 to 52 (I could have that wrong). Do you have a source for that? It seems from our list of Argentinian presidents that he is the 59th. Is there something I'm missing there? Squatch347 (talk) 15:29, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Fyi I didn't remove your sources lol I moved them to the appropriate sections bc sources in the lede is ugly. Pipetboy (talk) 17:09, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Pipetboy, I saw your updates. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment on first versus second half of 2025. The Moody's data, for example, covers all of 2025, through December. This is also the case of source 190 (Universidad). I don't think we can say they all agree, when they seem to have a different take on the second half of the year. Your point on different sectors is correct though. I didn't want to get into it as it seemed too technical for this kind of article, but I think your write up might handle it. Squatch347 (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Ok, now that that is out of the way, I've made a suggested edit. While I'm ok with the hyperinflation language, the writing is clunky and the sources tend to use something of the "reduced inflation significantly" construct. I also think retaining the decrease in poverty in this section is important given how often it is covered in the body. Finally, I like the nuance added by Pipetboy, the sector nuance is a good one. Squatch347 (talk) 12:04, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

You can do whatever you want pookie just don't make a misleading narrative Pipetboy (talk) 12:25, 8 May 2026 (UTC)