Talk:Jacob Vrel

Three questions: 1) flourished/active, 2) order of pictures in public collections, 3) Golden Age?

Greetings. Today I added a few paintings listed in the 2021 catalog raisonné. I hope it's in keeping with what the writers so far have intended. Three questions, though, before moving forward:

• Are we causing confusion in the lead by saying Vrel "flourished" 1630 to 1680 and then saying he was "active" 1654 to 1652? I presume the "fl." is taking the wider Wikipedia page definition at Floruit.

• Is "public collection" sometimes hard to define? Either way, would the list we've started be better if it were ordered by city? Should the geographic component after US cities list the US state rather than "USA"? I realize this could be applied to every town on the list. Perhaps countries are not necessary at all? (Or, of the location isn't clear, we add a link to the article for that place?)

• Is everyone comfortable with the expression "Dutch Golden Age," now in 2023? "Golden for whom?" is the question one hears nowadays.

I will not tamper with these until we've heard from souls wiser than I. Thanks to everyone. Johannes der Taucher (talk) 19:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

You're correct that the dates in the lead section were confused (and unsourced); I've adjusted them to conform to the cited source. The order of the list (alphabetical by collection) seems to me as good a system as any, especially as no city has more than one Vrel painting. As for "Dutch Golden Age", it's still a useful term if understood as "golden for those that had the gold", but use the term may eventually be subject to decision by the larger Wikipedia community. Ewulp (talk) 03:45, 23 October 2023 (UTC)