Talk:Italian Navy

pax tibi marce

Where describing the Marina Militare ensign, Marce is translated Mattew. Marce is the latin vocative of Marcus and he is Saint Mark, author of the corrispondent gospel. The Venice symbol is in fact commonly named "il Leone di San Marco", "the Saint Mark Lion".

San giorgio

the name of the san giorgio vessel is simply san giorgio and not george buchmann....

Marina Militare, the 5th

1) US (* 12+3 ) 2) UK (* 3+2 ) 3) France (* 1+1 ) 4) Japan 5) Italy (* 2+1 ) Garibaldi and Cavour ( Cavour in service in early 2009 ) and Mazzini planned 6) Russia (* 1 ) 7) China 8) Germany 9) Spain (* 1 )

Italian Navy IS the 5th of the world for technology and experience.

• = Navies with aircraft carriers and number of them in service and planned

The Italian and French navies are the only naval forces able to keep safe the Mediterranean Sea by every threat. Their aircraft carriers and submarines grant a conventional ( Italy ) and nuclear ( France ) strategic deterrence in the entire region.

Aircraft carriers

The current overall list of ships is confusing:

- 1 light aircraft carriers

- 4 amphibious assault ships

This counts Trieste as an AAS even though it is larger than Cavour. It has AAS-specific features, but from the point of view of ships by class, I think it is more notable as an aircraft carrier. It has a ski jump and is many times larger than the other AAS of the Italian Navy. Nelsonblaha (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

The article currently lists Trieste separately as a Landing helicopter dock rather than grouping it with the three smaller amphibious assault ships, which partly addresses the concern. On classification: the Italian Navy designates Trieste as an LHD (hull number L 9890, "L" for landing ship), not as an aircraft carrier, and most reliable sources (Jane's, Naval News, the Marina Militare's own Rapporto) follow this classification. Wikipedia should reflect how reliable sources classify the vessel per WP:RS, not reclassify based on physical characteristics. That said, the ship's capabilities (ski jump, F-35B operations, ~38,000 tonnes) are well documented in the Trieste article itself, which readers can consult for the full picture. Sparks19923 (talk) 00:41, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

General cleanup (February 2026)

Miscellaneous cleanup addressing several quality issues. The MILMOS fixes follow from BilCat's move proposal (March 2010), which established WP:MILMOS applicability to this article.

Changes

• Lead data updated: Replaced stale 2014 personnel/vessel figures with 2023 data from Rapporto Marina Militare 2023.
• Peacock language: Removed "modern navy with ships of every type", "in continuous evolution", "diverse fleet of aircraft", and "re-emergence of Italy's naval importance thanks to her strategic geographical position". Also removed "important" from "important combat contributions" in the post-WWII section — 84.172.195.170 flagged this phrasing in 2009 as odd, and it is a value judgment.
• Organisation table: Fixed broken formatting (bare URL next to wikilink for Chief of Staff); replaced "?" placeholder with {{update inline}}.
• Speculative content removed: Removed Bayraktar TB3 bullet point per WP:CRYSTAL — source was a Turkish-language blog stating only that Italy "could be interested".
• External links: Removed Medium blog post per WP:ELNO.
• MILMOS fixes: Wrote out abbreviated rank ("Adm." → "Admiral"); expanded acronyms on first use (ASW, OPV, MLU); corrected "MLU Mid-Life Update" to expansion-first format; corrected "five years involvement" → "five-year involvement".
• Minor: Changed "Great Britain" → "the United Kingdom" (post-war state); added {{cn}} to unsourced "fourth largest navy" claim; removed overly broad "History of Italy" category.

Note: Nelsonblaha's question (June 2025) about the Trieste classification (AAS vs. aircraft carrier) is not addressed here — that is a substantive content question and should be discussed separately.

Remaining work (B-class path)

The article currently meets 4 of 5 WP:MILHIST B-class criteria (B2–B5) but fails B1 (inline citations). To reach B-class:

• Source the NATO entry section — currently tagged {{Unreferenced section}}. Key claims needing refs: Italy's NATO accession (1949), MDAP inclusion, repeal of treaty restrictions (1951), Adriatic/Otranto/Tyrrhenian assignments.
• Resolve the {{cn}} on "fourth largest navy in the world" in the post-WWII section — either find a reliable source or remove the claim.
• Update Deputy Chief of Staff (currently tagged {{update inline}}).
• Address Nelsonblaha's Trieste classification question — clarify ship list to distinguish LHD from smaller AAS.

Once these are addressed, a MILHIST re-rating request would be appropriate.

Sparks19923 (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2026 (UTC)