Talk:Isaac Low

Lead section misleading, erroneous, and unsourced

The lead section is misleading in regards to the assertion that Low is a Founding Father and is also erroneous in its use of the terms "Loyalists" and "Patriots". Two discussions are in order:

• After serving in the First Continental Congress and signing the Continental Association, Low left political office. He had no hand in any of the events leading to the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. In fact, he opposed independence and worked against the American cause to the point where he was charged with (though not tried for) treason.
• One did not become a Loyalist. Nearly all colonial figures were both Loyalists and Patriots until the outbreak of hostilities at the beginning of the Revolutionary War. The terms describe those who remained loyal to the king after that occurred and those who supported independence. A round-up of views on the subject can be found in the following article in the Journal of the American Revolution: When Were They Patriots and Loyalists?. Low never favored independence and thus was a Loyalist as soon as the term becomes applicable.

This section also is unsourced and needs additional detail to provide a better understanding of the subject. Allreet (talk) 03:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, signers of the other three founding documents are accepted per sources and various talk page discussions as Founding Fathers, and since there is no dispute that the Continental Association is a founding document, site consistency applies. Besides the defining 2017 Werther article "Analyzing the Founders: A Closer Look at the Signers of Four Founding Documents" in the Journal of the American Revolution here are two other sources which, for consistency and per WP:COMMONSENSE, acknowledge that the Founders include the signers of the fourth: The Founder of the Day article "Signers of the Continental Association" clearly states "Below is a list of the Founders who signed the Continental Association" [emphasis mine], followed by the names of the 53 signers (Founder of the Day also names the Association as one of the four founding documents). The worldhistory.edu "Top 10 Founding Fathers of the United States of America" - section "List of Founding Fathers of the United States" asserts "Also, two broader groups of Founding Fathers capture the signers of Articles of Confederation (the initial version of the American Constitution which was adopted in 1777 and ratified in 1781) and the signers of the Continental Association (created on October 20, 1774)" [emphasis mine]. Please add these sources to the pages of the other Association signers you are intent of removing from Founding Father status, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)