Talk:Huey Long

Mention of Huey Long, as he is in Kaiserreich and Kaiserredux

Kaiserreich, and Kaiserredux, are two Hearts of Iron IV mods in which, when the Second American Civil War breaks out, he is the leader of the nation, The American Union State. This is significant, in that it is common knowledge within the community. But for some reason, when I put this down in text, it was reverted, with no further explanation. Until I have received comment, or a meaning as to why it has been removed, I am going to unrevert. Kingofmapps (talk) 19:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mattmauler

Upon further inspection, it seems it was you perpetrated the revert.

'Not a noteworthy portrayal,' is incredibly debatable. I would say a good faction of those who follow the principles of Long today are inspired because of said portrayal (not necessarily a good thing, but a thing), and it has become a meme, and well-known thing in the community. While it may not be the knowledge of the average Joe, it is notable. Kingofmapps (talk) 19:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Wargamer is a reliable sourcd so I'll leave this partly in - but you'll need an article with more than a single mention have the "often" claim. I'll tidy the language up. Carlp941 (talk) 15:46, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

i checked Oswald mosley's page earlier and seen that it had kaiserreich mentioned on it. HistoricalFanatics (talk) 01:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Then it shouldn't've been there either. Remsense ‥ 论 01:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

It's significantly more prominent with Long than with Mosley. Huey Long is only popular outside of Louisiana and more so in the South because of Kaiserreich and Kaiserredux. I've given up on this point long ago, but there's an argument to be made within the constraints of WP:N. Kaiserreich even has it's own independent page now. Kingofmapps (talk) 13:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Please support the case for inclusion with some more sources! I don't have an objection to the content being include if there are more detailed sources around it. Carlp941 (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

The issue with this is, there aren't a lot of sources which cover this besides the one which I already inserted (WarGamer.) Kingofmapps (talk) 13:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

That is an issue, isn't it? Remsense ‥ 论 16:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

I strongly object to the notion that Long is only known outside of Louisiana due to a recent video game. He has long been a notable figure in American politics, mostly due to the "Most dangerous man in America" comment. ~2026-24151-99 (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

This is a two year-old argument. I live in Louisiana, and Long is still a relatively niche figure, brought up only in obscured political or historical discussions, between those who have a healthy knowledge of the subject. Kingofmapps (talk) 13:16, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

I agree, it's also mentioned in the article for his portrayals in culture V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 04:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

It is an issue. What do you do if something is notable enough to be included (substantially so) but the source you have is discounted? It's an impasse, and the only way to resolve it is no inclusion at all, sadly. Kingofmapps (talk) 16:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to the talkpage. My intention with the initial revert and also the one I just performed is to limit the media section to important portrayals so that it does not become an exhaustive list of just mentions or appearances in pop culture. That kind of trivia can easily get out of control. The article does not discuss Long's portrayal in the game as significant imo (see my edit summary - he's barely in the article); rather, it focuses on the mod as being special/popular. I have reverted again because I also saw another user remove this info recently (i.e., in agreement with me), so I believe it should stay with the stable version while we discuss this.--MattMauler (talk) 01:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I gotta with ya here, Wargamer is a reliable source, but needs more detail specifically about Long's portrayal to merit inclusion. Happy to leave it out for now. Carlp941 (talk) 20:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

"only added in 2022"

...says the IP, who ignores it as being a re-addition because someone else quietly removed it. Remsense ‥ 论 18:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. DN (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Note 11 phrasing

I know that this is a really pedantic critique but I am curious as to the phrasing of note 11 seeming to imply that Father Coughlin's critique of the New Deal was "left wing", I have read Brinkley's book which argues that Long and Coughlin used their public platform in a way to basically push the New Deal somewhat left during the 'Second New Deal' but I don't really know how genuinely left wing I think these appeals are as they were fundamentally populist and both Coughlin and Long were prone to many fascist tendencies (Coughlin more so than Long as Long was killed before fascism became a prominent issue in American life). I think that populist might be a better term than left wing to describe Long's opposition in the sentence before hand if the note is to be kept in tact as I think it dissuades the idea that Long and Coughlin were to the left of FDR (which I am not sure is entirely accurate). Drgerke (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Facist??

His policies were socialist. ~2025-32500-43 (talk) 05:29, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

You're right. He was not a fascist, and experts (historians/political scientists) do not call him one, BUT he was occasionally accused of it in some mainstream journalistic or opinion sources, as noted in the article. Each time, we attribute these accusations instead of saying them flat out, in Wikipedia's voice. This was the compromise editors arrived at in the previous discussions on this talkpage here (see Talk:Huey Long/Archive 2). That doesn't mean consensus can't change, just giving the reason for the status quo.--MattMauler (talk) 13:45, 30 December 2025 (UTC)