Talk:Ho-Chunk

Merger

I feel that the article Ho-Chunk Casino should be merged with Ho-Chunk as their is very little information pertaining to the casino and therefore, I do not feel that it is substantial enough to stand alone. T. White 09:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No. It warrants it's own article. -- Al™ 15:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Why? --Miskwito 03:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The Ho-Chunk Casino is not the same as the Ho-Chunks. Don't merge, but expand the Casino article. I suspect it will always be short — when compared to Caesars Palace article — but the current Casino article falls way short and needs some beefing-up. CJLippert 01:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes it should be merged. There is only one sentence on the page. Flaflafooey 01:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge asap.--Tainter 22:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Against. The Ho-Chunk Casino is specifically notable as an economic institution in Wisconsin. The Ho-Chunk are a people with their own identity extending beyond the casino. Each is uniquely notable and requires their own article. In this case it is not so much the case of quantity of information, but notability of the subject. – Freechild (BoomCha) 21:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Rock of Mystery

I figure this is the place to ask... Could someone check Ho chunk rock of mystery? It looks like nonsense to me, but I could be wrong. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 23:14, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Winnebago Tribe of Nebraska external link

I modified the Winnebago Tribe of Nebraska external website a little,so it would more clearer that there are 2 websites for the 2 Ho-Chunk/Winnebago nation.Thank you-RFD 17:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Stinkards? Stinking water?

Was there any reason for these refrences to thier odor? Did the engage in some ritual or coat thier bodies in something with an unpleasant smell? Or is this just a fun way for thier rivals to insult them? Eno-Etile 02:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

In the Ojibwe language the term wiinibiigoo means "those of stagnant waters", which often refers to a bayou that can be quite smelly. However, these stagnant waters were quite important to not only the Ho-chunks but also to the Menomini and others because of Wild rice growth patterns. Green Bay, Wisconsin on older French maps was called "Baie des Puants" after the Ho-chunks and other areas with similar names are Lake Winnibigoshish, Lake Winnipeg and Lake Winnipegosis. CJLippert 01:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't the translation be 'smelly water' rather than 'stinking'? If it's not supposed to carry negative connotations? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 15:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

From Ojibwe Wiinibiigoo (“Winnebago person”), from wiinibiig (“murky water”) (of Lake Winnipeg), from wiini’ (“to make someone dirty”), wiinad (“it is dirty”), plus nibi (“water”), plural nibig (“waters”). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Winnebago--Manfariel (talk) 02:21, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

The "Stinkard" thing is a strange misconception. "Pwan" or "bwan" is literally Ojibwe for "Sioux" or "enemy," which is what Ojibwe-related folks called Sioux-related folks. Ho-Chunk (formerly Winnebago) people speak a so-called "Siouan" language. Baie des Puants means Bay of the Sioux, not Smelly Bay ;) Ah well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.192.126 (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Joba Chamberlain

Should Joba Chamberlain (the incredibly highly touted pitching prospect for the Yankees) be included in Famous Ho-Chunk people?

Image?

I'm thinking that a little girl in a leopard suit may not be the best representation of the Ho-Chunk that we can find. I'd like to choose a more encyclopedic image. Does anyone agree? Somnambulent (talk) 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree what about using an image of a traditional Winnebago dance instead? I believe that it is more culturally relative. Greenturtle09 (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Good basic start but really a stub[....]Needs expansion, language article is Winnebago language --Skookum1, 12 May 2006 Has improved since Skookum's assesment last May. Now has more references, and more fleshed-out sections. It's got a ways to go, but it doesn't qualify as a stub anymore --Miskwito 00:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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"adopted cultivated" ?

They lived in permanent villages of wigwams and adopted cultivated corn, squash, and beans; they gathered wild rice, hunted woodland animals, and used canoes to fish.

not sure what that means; did they, at some specific point in their history, adopt the cultivation of corn, squash, and beans? Or do we just need to lose the word "adopted" here? OwlParty (talk) 06:04, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

They actually did consciously choose to begin maize cultivation (it's pretty interesting!), but yes, removing adopted would probably make the sentence clearer and more concise. Yuchitown (talk) 21:06, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm curious how that came about, are you saying there is a specific story about "that time we decided to do the farming thing"? or is it just part of the more general "Three Sisters" tradition that seems to have come about during the late Woodland period?

Also: the phrase: "hunted woodland animals, and used canoes to fish." seems a little awkward to me. I mean I get that they fished /from/ canoes, and it's explained later on that they used spears and clubs, but that sentence sounds like they have some sort of really weird method of fishing that utilizes the canoe itself to catch them. Like, are they running them over with the canoe? stabbing them with the pointy end? Dipping the canoe in the water to scoop them up? I know I'm reading it too literally, but it just sounds weird to me. Maybe something like "used canoes while fishing" ? Actually, I'm just going stop over-thinking and go change it. OwlParty (talk) 08:11, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

About maize specifically. "used a canoe when fishing" might work better. Also, you are welcome to copy edit the article. Yuchitown (talk) 15:23, 19 October 2025 (UTC)