Talk:Hey Nineteen
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[edit]Is it really "interesting" that Fagen was 13 years older than the character in the song? Removed following sentence from the end of the first paragraph: "Interestingly, Fagen himself was only 13 years older than the song's subject when it was released." --Innocent42 (talk) 22:43, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- And, moreover, it appears that what you removed was unsourced WP:OR. Kudos, brava/bravo for this edit. 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Even more interesting (and truly ironic, not in the Alanis Morissette way)? Today, a woman who was 19 in 1980 is almost certainly more likely to recognize Aretha Franklin than Steely Dan. --RBBrittain (talk) 06:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Story
[edit]I don't think this song is so dense that "according to one reviewer's interpretation" is really necessary. The New York Times review when the album was released described it the same way, as the interior monologue of a (then) thirtyish man dating a teenage girl and realizing they have "nothing in common" other than the alcohol and marijuana they're planning to share. I'll see if I can find the cite. Daniel Case (talk) 18:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- @User:Daniel Case—Let's find and add that NYT source. It would be a quality addition to the article. But we do not agree that a description of the lyrics is not in order, as every review that has appeared, that we have seen—including the NYT that you mention—addresses the intergeneral seduction that is the focus of the song. 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Soul Survivors
[edit]I removed this paragraph from the article, because it's not all that relevant, and seems more like it belongs on the talk page anyway:
Note to editors: Pretty sure this refers to a one-hit group the Soul Survivors on Crimson Records who released "Expressway to Your Heart," and that was it, hence the "hard times befallen"
"Jazz Fusion"?
[edit]" hey 19" is many things, but Jazz Fusion it is not. Just because a recording has Fender Rhodes and percussion does not automatically assign it to the Jazz Fusion genre. Fp cassini (talk) 22:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- Dead right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:D006:A202:7E00:F496:C0B1:2333:2667 (talk) 19:40, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- AllMusic, a reliable source here, presents the song's genres as "pop/rock" and "jazz", and its styles as "jazz-rock", "funk", and "fusion". See this link. Description here should follow such published sources, and not infuse WP:OR perspectives. 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Lyrics…
[edit]I’ve been a Dan fan since God invented vinyl, but one has to take their lyrics with a good pinch of salt. However fine and progressive their music, Wally and Donny remained at heart English Literature majors publishing obscure verse in the college mag. Slick, allusive stuff that seems just like poetry but falls apart if subjected to analysis.
That said, compare Fagen’s ‘Slinky Thing’ for a much franker exploration of the same idea as ‘Nineteen’, and you may add ‘The New Breed’. 2401:D006:A202:7E00:F496:C0B1:2333:2667 (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Has such a connection been made in any WP:RS source, so that it might be added to the article? If not, we might have to remove this thread as WP:FORUM, sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please do not remove, as this comment suggests an investigative course for serious editors here. This comment, and it alone, suggests a possible satirical intent of the music's composers, and that this and two other songs may be viewed as a stylistic subset of their songs. While this is an editorial opinion (of IP editor 2401:D006...)—expression of which, here, is acceptable—if the view is upheld by published authors, its addition here would be constructive for the article. (There are already many negative responses to the song in the modern era, in response to its prima facie meaning.) Hence, we echo your question—can we source this thought—but not the suggested removal of the thread. Our view, as former academic, and regualrly contributing logged editors here. 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- See also the current closing sentence of the Music subsection, where a reviewer is cited suggesting a song emphasis to be "self-satire". 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well we await further "published authors". Probably would hat (too flat) anyway, not remove. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- See also the current closing sentence of the Music subsection, where a reviewer is cited suggesting a song emphasis to be "self-satire". 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
- Please do not remove, as this comment suggests an investigative course for serious editors here. This comment, and it alone, suggests a possible satirical intent of the music's composers, and that this and two other songs may be viewed as a stylistic subset of their songs. While this is an editorial opinion (of IP editor 2401:D006...)—expression of which, here, is acceptable—if the view is upheld by published authors, its addition here would be constructive for the article. (There are already many negative responses to the song in the modern era, in response to its prima facie meaning.) Hence, we echo your question—can we source this thought—but not the suggested removal of the thread. Our view, as former academic, and regualrly contributing logged editors here. 98.223.85.159 (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
Why is the "fine Colombian" linked to Marijuana, and not cocaine?
[edit]If one drug is associated with Colombia, it is cocaine. Plus, the "fine" is a wordplay on being good but also the opposite of course - as it being a powder. The Fine Colombian (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2026 (UTC)