Talk:Helier

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Is there a St. Helier Day? The Jade Knight 22:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

16 July - the Parish normally timetables some events during the week under the title St. Helier Week and the pilgrimage is usually held on the nearest Sunday. Man vyi 05:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

MARCULF : MARCOUF !

It might be embarrassing for foreigners to find Saint MALCULF alternately with his British and with his French name MARCOUF. It should be said, that MARCOUF is the Frech form of his name.Omenvorte 22:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The article uses Marculf consistently in the text, and provides the French version the first time he's mentioned in explanatory parenthesis regarding the associated placename. Sources are quoted which use Marcouf. Quite why this should embarrass anyone is mysterious to me. The linked article Saint Marculf provides the name variants. Man vyi 04:56, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Cunibert

The lifetimes of St Cunibert and St Helier do not overlap. According to the article, Helier's parents prayed to Cunibert before Heliers birth but according to the article on Cunibert he was born 45 years after Heliers death. 80.6.159.120 22:38 8 March 2008 (GMT) 76.173.244.75 (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)"who was already causing consternation with his youthful miracles"

"According to the hagiography, Romard discovered Helier’s body on the beach still clutching his head in his hands, placed it in a boat and set off for the mainland. The boat, guided by the hand of God, arrived at Bréville-sur-mer (Manche) where a reputedly miraculous healing spring arose on the spot where Helier’s body rested overnight"

can we add something that explains to children and the weak minded that these claims are of course completely and utterly ridiculous? it is not made sufficiently clear that these claims are completely and utterly untrue. encyclopedia are meant to help establish facts, not present fantastical stories in such a way that gullible people could interpret them as having some factual basis.

The phrases "According to the hagiography" and "reputedly" probably give enough of an indication. It's quite reasonable for an encyclopaedia to report factual information about the contents of hagiographical texts and the nature of religious/folk beliefs regarding the curative powers of a spring. Man vyi (talk) 06:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

76.173.244.75 (talk) 20:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)"According to the hagiography" gives no indication of credibility. hagiography means the study of saints, which could imply an academic conclusion and 'reputed' is defined by merriam webster dictionary 1 : having a good repute : reputable 2 : being such according to reputation or general belief. Wikipedia is not intended to perpetuate claims that are frankly ridiculous. Yes, i agree with you that it is appropriate for wikipedia to report the contents of various texts and beliefs, but must not present these contents are being credible. That is misleading to the young, gullible and weak minded. I can't understand why there would be any resistance to this point unless you wanted people to think that a man once carried his head in his hands.

It doesn't seem to me that the article on Saint George, for example, requires a disclaimer to warn the "young, gullible and weak minded" about the improbability of encountering dragons. Man vyi (talk) 08:29, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

question on the section titled "criticism of story"

This section needs to be better cited or taken off. There is no citations citing the scholar G.R. Balleine. Furthermore, an encyclopedia do not represent one scholar's opinion regarding whether something actually happened or not. There needs to be more then just Balleine's viewpoint. Otherwise I think this section should be deleted. Hateloveschool (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Vikings??

I understand this is a hagiography but in the Jersey section, the island is said to have been largely depopulated by Vikings before St Helier arrived in the mid 500s. Although this is stated in the linked source, a BBC Local Legends article, it's obviously inaccurate as the first recorded Viking attack on the Channel Islands wasn't until around 800.

The BBC cites the Acta Sanctorum, a massive compilation of hagiographies published in 1643, but regardless of where the info came from, the fact remains that Vikings did not attack Jersey in the 6th century. I will be changing Vikings to pirates, the word used to describe Helier's purported attackers. Shana3980 (talk) 00:38, 8 June 2026 (UTC)