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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Holmart in topic Removal of Main Text of hanuman chalisa

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Perhaps the text should be moved to Wikisource. Thats why it exists. On the Wikipedia page, other information about the poem can be written. DaGizzaChat © 08:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Translation

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Sumirow means remember or bring in one's mind, not urge. Someone, kindle comment and adivse whether the change should be made or not. Pfonilonitappa (talk) 18:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

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yo what does "mirror of my mind" refer to? what does it mean?

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Devanagri Script Does Not Match Transliteration

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The Indic script does not match the transliteration in several places - there are many minor mismatches. Looking at my copy of the Hanuman Chalisa, it looks as though the Devanagri is the incorrect one - should I go ahead and try to fix those? Ankhgoel 21:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


Please FLAG PAGE AND PUT DEFINITIONS FOR EVERYTHING —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.219.6.168 (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Reply

Request from Stutimandal

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http://www.stutimandal.com/new/poemgen.php?id=108

Please consider adding this link to this Chalisa page as a reference. We are ad-free, we have text in devanagari with an alternate translation.

As for the query of previous person, "Mind is like a mirror since it reflects upon cognition with objects that it has seen in the past." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.32.171.31 (talk) 22:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply

Language

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The article's text was recently replaced with several paragraphs of Hindi. I have reverted to a version substantially in English, as this is the English language Wikipedia. If any user wants to incorporate the Hindi text into the article, please do so with appropriate commentary and translation. Gonzonoir (talk) 10:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

Text

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The text is already in Wikisource, see the link at the right.

It has not to be repeated here. There is already a reference with the Wikisource logo pointing to the text. Wikisource is the place where original texts are deposited. The English text should be moved to the English Wikisource.  Andreas  (T) 15:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply

I have removed the extended text. Wikipedia is not the place for it, per WP:NOFULLTEXT, and it is already on Wikisource. JohnCD (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Wikisource has no Hanumanchalisa

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Initially when this page was created wikisource had the Hanumanchalisa now the link referred to has nothing. A good link could be at a knol of Hanuman Chalisa and if agreeable should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.110.143 (talk) 00:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Great to see the unnecessary and blank link remove - what about giving the link mentioned so that the English version is available —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.110.143 (talk) 00:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)Reply

Main text changes

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Please discuss here before making them.

  1. The Chalisa has several variant readings for some verses (chhājai or sājai, suvana or svayam). Having the popular reading (e.g. one rendered by Gita Press here) in the main text and noting the variant readings later is fine.
  2. Please do not make spelling errors. In Awadhi बिद्यावान and सहस्र are correct, बिद्ध्यावान and सहस्त्र are wrong.
  3. As this is Awadhi text which is sung, please do not remove the terminal schwa. This is the usual practice followed e.g. by Gita Press.

Thanks, InternetSanatani (talk) 00:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

The 32nd verse is 'saadar ho' in the citation referred there. But the page writes it as 'sada raho'. Riteshmmec (talk) 23:48, 22 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

Meanings of main text

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Rao and Mehta meanings were given originally but they are not notable scholars. I would suggest keeping the meanings given by popular versions like Gita Press and notable Tulsidas scholars like Rambhadracharya only. InternetSanatani (talk) 00:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

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Confusing explanation.

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A yug (juga) is 12000 years, sahasra means 1000, and yojan (jojana) is 8 miles. This gives the distance between the Earth and the sun as 12000x1000x8 = 96,000,000 miles. (More accurately, this distance is actually 92,955,807.273 miles.)

This seems very confused. Its not clear why a period in years is multiplied by a number and a length. It's not clear why a jojana of 8 miles has been chosen (there is little agreement on the length of a jojana in ancient india. This does not seem to be a correct interpretation of the text, but rather numerology.

I've removed this, pending clarification Zeimusu | Talk page 14:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Well, what else can be the meaning? The text exists, and literally means "The sun at (a) yuga, 1000 yojanas. You dashed at it thinking that it is a sweet fruit.". This could be an interpretation. BrightSunMan (talk) 21:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Quotations in Text section

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I agree they have no place in an English encyclopedia article on the topic per WP:NOT. --Hipal (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yupp — DaxServer (t · m · c) 08:23, 8 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 May 2023

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Why we are not allowed to add the text of hanuman chalisa in hanuman chalisa page, this goes to show that a propoganda of removing hindu scriptures is going on and wikipedia to which I donate is heavily promoting this propoganda. Please add the text so that users like me can read it anywhere in the world.

Bajranbali (talk) 19:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

You are doing disruptive edits, please stop that Notrealname1234 (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Distruptive edit ??what is disruptive about adding the hanuman chali text in hanuman chalisa wiki page ? Bajranbali (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
When the text got deleted from the page, didn't you have the same opinion. Bajranbali (talk) 16:13, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Because it is. Notrealname1234 (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
 Not done: See WP:NOTFULLTEXT. Tollens (talk) 21:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Not Done??? Are you serious tell me a reason why The actual hanuman chalisa should not be there in the Hanuman chalisa wiki page? Bajranbali (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Did you bother to read the guideline linked to by Tollens? — kashmīrī TALK 17:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
I see you only started deleting the text and if we can not add the text and can add the external link :
"Longer texts are best summarised with the full text placed on Wikisource, or given as an external link."
Then would you care explaning the delete that you did for the external link.
17:09, 11 March 2023Apparition11 talk contribsm  25,159 bytes −33‎  Restored revision 1143739650 by Kashmiri (talk): WP:ELNO thank Bajranbali (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
See WP:EL: With rare exceptions, external links should not be used in the body of an article.
Moreover, you need to tone down a bit. — kashmīrī TALK 21:39, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
You added it to the lead with the first mention of the subject. That is not where external links go. I could make a case for other problems with the link, but, frankly, I really don't care. So, whatever the consensus is for the link is fine with me. Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 22:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
So, is someone going to link the article to the actual text it refers to? Maybe Wikisource, or linking it to Commons, but the original intention of OP has not been fulfilled. BrightSunMan (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Removal of Main Text of hanuman chalisa

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The main text and translation of the hanuman chalisa a very open source text written by Tulsidas has been on wikipedia for over 5 years. It was first removed here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hanuman_Chalisa&oldid=1143739650 and has seen a lot of action to revert the text and reinstate it. The reason given is that it is full text and copyrighted, I don't see any consensus on this neither is there e any proof given . The Hanuman chalisa is an open source text much like the psalms or the bible. If Psalm 88 Wiki can stay with its text in Hebrew and English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_88, what is the problem in this article retaining its text and translation? Without the text wikipedia users regardless of faith or creed are denied the text and its translation which makes wikipedia less useful and less likely that users will use this page as a definitive source. Perhaps that is the intent of the removal of the text in the first place. Holmart (talk) 05:39, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

See the discussion in the preceding section, and especially the WP:NOTFULLTEXT content guideline.
Additionally, the English translation is copyrighted.
As a principle, articles about poems can – and often do – include a sample, for example to help in discussing the writing style. However, Wikipedia is not intended to replace Wikisource. — kashmīrī TALK 05:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
well this isn't a poem but also a religious text. by removing it you are denying wikipedia users the ability to read it. again Look at Psalm 88as a counter to your NOTFULLTEXT argument.
I would say we could remove the english translation if it is indeed copyrighted while retaining the text.do you have any objections to that? Holmart (talk) 06:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)Reply