Talk:Halime Sultan

No alime valide sultan

There is no any Alime Valide sultan listed in any sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.112.141 (talk) 19:04, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Name Halime

"Halime" is used in the series "Muhteşem Yüzyıl: Kösem" and we do not know with certainty whether the general Mustafa's mother so called, so I vote to change the name of the article.--93.87.100.141 (talk) 14:39, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

refrences

Does any have a Look of this References on the Page? I do, and there is no any written about Halime Sultan, Mother of Mustafa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalanidil (talk • contribs) 02:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

unnamed daughter

what does it mean an unnamed daughter? All ottoman princess were listed and had given names. I see that before there was the name Dilruba as her daughter.

@Nalanidil And where is your source? The exact name of many ancient Egyptian figures are also unknown. Provide a reliable source otherwise leave it as it is. Keivan.f^Talk 13:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Do you want to claim that ottoman Princess had no given name? funny. Relaible sources here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020421153434/http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Turkey/turkey5.htm

But Mehmed III had no daughter with the name dilruba

@Nalanidil Actually what you just said is funny. An archived version of a website written by someone whose credibility cannot be confirmed is unreliable. Always find a credible and reliable source for your claims. Besides, Ottoman prince(ss) or not, some historical figures' names get lost in history. It's common and can happen some times, so it's not really a big deal. Keivan.f^Talk 09:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Dilruba sultan Faris murad (talk) 20:24, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Not exist any Dilruba Sultan. Is Just a fictional character in a series. The real daughters was Şah and Hatice. TV series=/=real history. Not a source. Sira Aspera (talk) 17:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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Name Halime Sultan

The following source name her Halime Sultan "Valide-i Sultan Mustafa Han-ı evvel, Halime Sultan, Ayasofya’da oğlunun türbesinde medfundur" i.e Mother of Sultan Mustafa the First, Halime Sultan, buried in her son's mausoleum, Hagia Sophia.

• Börekçi, Günhan. Factions And Favorites At The Courts Of Sultan Ahmed I (r. 1603-17) And His Immediate Predecessors. p. 65 and n. 96. muhammadsaad 10:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Status

Halime’s status as haseki has been explained by Gunhan Borecki in his book "A Queen-Mother at Work: On Handan Sultan and Her Regency During the Early Reign of Ahmed I". (pages 57-58, 66). Thoughts? Melty love (talk) 08:57, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Being it a very authoritative work, and being the author so competent, I would say that Halime could have been the Haseki of Sultan Mehmed III; reportedly, she was the favourite of the Sultan, while Handan was the favourite of the Valide Sultan (Safiye). I would also say - in the shoes of other users - that both their status are a little complicated to be explained without letting others to think that other sources are needed. As far as this concern only me, Börekçi is a good author and I would say that he explains the situation well, proving sources, and this - for me - is a sign of Halime acting as Haseki, while Handan's status as Haseki has to be demonstrated. MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma (talk) 09:25, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Wife or concubine?

Was she a wife or a concubine? The consorts of Ottoman sultans in this time period were normally concubines, not wives, even though this is often politely euphemised. The status of wife is often assumed, sometimes because of politeness and sometimes because of ignorance, since this has become a sensitive issue, but it is important to state if she was legally married to the sultan, or if she was his concubine. Because unless she is clearly confirmed to have married him, she was in fact his concubine, not his wife. If so, this must be stated and clarified. If would not be factual the assume she was a wife, if she was not. This may be a sensitive issue, but Wikipedia must be factual.--Aciram (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

This has already been discussed in the previous discussion with proofs guaranteed by user Melty love. MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma (talk) 12:40, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

@MariaAmaliaduchessadiParmaThat discussion appear to be about her title of Haseki, not about her status as wife or concubine. She could have the title Haseki regardless if she was wife or concubine.--Aciram (talk) 01:11, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Indeed, Börekçi calls her "the favorite concubine" in the cited pages, and does not speak here of any marriage, so currently there is no source about a marriage.--Phso2 (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

If there is no source reference for a wedding ceremony, then she can not be called wife in the article. This is a sensitive issue, and therefore, concubines of Ottoman sultans has often been called wives as a sort of euphemism. We can't allow that in Wikipedia. Therefore, it is important to be careful to identify such attempts of euphemisms, and stop them, in order to be factual. If she was a concubine she must be called concubine and not wife. Wikipedia must be factual.--Aciram (talk) 23:50, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Halime and Füldane Sultans

Halime Sultan and Fuldane Sultan are not the same person. Fuldane was the mother of Prince Mahmud and was executed. Halime Sultan, on the other hand, was the mother of Mustafa I. A separate page should be written about Fuldane Sultan. Fataerofk (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2026 (UTC)